Origin of the Laws of Nature

• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-02-04 01:02
  How would one go about scientifically explaining the origin of the laws of nature? Keep in mind that all real science is based on the natural laws, so using science to scientifically explain the origin of the natural laws is prohibited!
• Kueh wrote on 2011-02-04 01:04
  A law is something that has always been observed to happen.
  
  It has never been observed to not happen, which means a law requires a vast amount samples all saying the same thing.
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-02-04 01:06

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;319367:

  A law is something that has always been observed to happen.
  
  It has never been observed to not happen, which means a law requires a vast amount samples all saying the same thing.

  
  
  Yeah, but why is it that the world behaves the way it does? What was it that "programmed" the universe?
• Kueh wrote on 2011-02-04 01:06

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;319369:

  Yeah, but why is it that the world behaves the way it does? What was it that "programmed" the universe?

  
  
  That is science.
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-02-04 01:08

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;319370:

  That is science.

  
  
  Science merely observes and attempts to explain natural laws, but why is it that natural laws exist at all? What brought them into existence? A computer can't program itself, and I highly doubt that the universe could have "programmed" itself.
• Andy-Buddy wrote on 2011-02-04 01:09
  Chance is what programmed everything. There is no explaining things beyond a certain level, except for "going deeper."
  
  We can theorize by observing the world around us, and we can guess at its origins. As soon as we see at a level where there is nothing more to explain, then we will know the origins. Remember, our studies of Physics are not complete, and as we go deeper into new 'frontiers' of research, an answer will come.
  
  Natural laws exist because we observe them. (I think that's Quantum Physics.)
• Phunkie wrote on 2011-02-04 01:10

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;319369:

  Yeah, but why is it that the world behaves the way it does? What was it that "programmed" the universe?

  
  
  You mean things like why is the value of G = 6.674 x 10−11 N*m^2*kg^−2 and etc.?
• Kueh wrote on 2011-02-04 01:10

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;319377:

  Science merely observes and attempts to explain why.

  
  
  You put it rather aptly yourself.
  
  The purpose of science is to answer the question "Why?"
• loltastic659 wrote on 2011-02-04 01:12
  Our levels of science are not yet at a point where we can fully explain "why".
  Religion exists because we can not yet explain "why"; people need a reason as to this "why", a.k.a. religion.
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-02-04 01:12

  Quote from Andy-Buddy;319378:

  Chance is what programmed everything. There is no explaining things beyond a certain level, except for "going deeper."

  
  
  I know for a fact that no computer program ever created itself by chance, so I'm kind of skeptical here...
  
  

  Natural laws exist because we observe them. (I think that's Quantum Physics.)

  
  
  I hate to break it to you, but things exist regardless of whether or not we observe them.
• Kueh wrote on 2011-02-04 01:15

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;319385:

  I hate to break it to you, but things exist regardless of whether or not we observe them.

  
  
  No. The law is just an expression of what we observe.
  
  If we observe something that conflicts with the law, we change the law to conform with what we observe. The law exists only as we understand and observe the world around us.
  
  Any of the current laws of nature are subject to change and even being discarded completely.
• Mystickskye wrote on 2011-02-04 01:15

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;319367:

  A law is something that has always been observed to happen.
  
  It has never been observed to not happen, which means a law requires a vast amount samples all saying the same thing.

  Be careful of the distinction between science and pseudoscience. "Sample all saying the same thing" isn't an example of science.
• loltastic659 wrote on 2011-02-04 01:16

  Quote from Spartaaaaa;319385:

  I know for a fact that no computer program ever created itself by chance, so I'm kind of skeptical here...

  
  true. But life itself is theorized to have created itself by chance through amino acids bonding together. Why couldn't this occur on a universal scale?
• Mama wrote on 2011-02-04 01:17
  it just happened to be
• loltastic659 wrote on 2011-02-04 01:20
  we need to bring Ema Skye into this.
  She can explain EVERYTHING scientifically.
  Including objection.