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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-05-10 05:21
Quote from Aubog007;32377:
it is entertaining if it has some balance.
Least the arena you could leave easily lawl.
I just expect fairness xD
Balance is not a necessary requirement to be entertained.
It only requires the mindset of that you are having fun, whatever that means.
PvP in MMORPGs are rarely balanced. I can't even think of one that is balanced.
PvP in shooters, fighting games, and real time strategy games usually tend to be more balanced. Usually.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2010-05-10 05:23
Quote from Kazuni;32380:
People know what they're signing up for when they turn on PvP. They'd hardly do it if they thought it was unfair. What do you suggest be changed so there's balanced? That's not easily exploitable to create more unfairness?
i guess i expect honor.
Hence why this discussion is taking place.
Quote from Chiri;32381:
Some spirit weapons only shine in PVP. While I don't PVP, it seems many people base their mabi lives around it. So, if that is how their owners want to use their spirit weapon and time, more power to them.
like i said earlier. To me PvP is a waste of dura. Unless i wanna fool around with friends. (just hate being ganked by other people while having fun with friends. (my major gripe))
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Kazuni wrote on 2010-05-10 05:24
Quote from Aubog007;32386:
i guess i expect honor.
Hence why this discussion is taking place.
Honor? In PvP? That's a good thought, but it's expecting too much of the world.
I got scarred for life from PvP, I swear.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2010-05-10 05:34
Quote from Kazuni;32388:
Honor? In PvP? That's a good thought, but it's expecting too much of the world.
I got scarred for life from PvP, I swear.
there WAS once honor while PvPing.
Guess being gone for a year kinda eradicated that.
I've been around since the beta and I've seen thing game grow.
If anything this thread is more of like an analysis of the development of the PvP element in this game.
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Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-05-10 05:36
Why pvp? For achievement.
There's an achievement column for pvp in the future which possibly might help in snatching that royal alchemist position.
Though I really don't understand why they must make it this way.
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Cucurbita wrote on 2010-05-10 05:37
% duels with no trans/bomb/icespear/fh is [SIZE="7"]fun[/SIZE], thats why.
[video=youtube;6-OHaxe18NE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-OHaxe18NE[/video]
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Chiri wrote on 2010-05-10 05:38
Quote from Aubog007;32386:
like i said earlier. To me PvP is a waste of dura. Unless i wanna fool around with friends. (just hate being ganked by other people while having fun with friends. (my major gripe))
I'm saying: there are people who only play mabi because they like PvPing. In that case, it's not a waste of durability, it's the cost they play to get their kicks. So a mob hits you or a person hits you. You still get hit. You happen to think of one as more 'worthwhile' than the other. Why?
And honor? Even back when there were true knight duels, people always took advantage of their own strengths and exploited the weaknesses of their opponents. War in old times was all about "getting there the firstest with the mostest".
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Aubog007 wrote on 2010-05-10 05:48
Duels are fun.
That i can admit to... Pure ring out duels using melee is awwwwwwesome.
Quote from Chiri;32407:
I'm saying: there are people who only play mabi because they like PvPing. In that case, it's not a waste of durability, it's the cost they play to get their kicks. So a mob hits you or a person hits you. You still get hit. You happen to think of one as more 'worthwhile' than the other. Why?
And honor? Even back when there were true knight duels, people always took advantage of their own strengths and exploited the weaknesses of their opponents. War in old times was all about "getting there the firstest with the mostest".
There are no tangible rewards for PvPing that isn't broken by the game. (guild battle is still broken after over a year.)
That's why i BASE my opinion on that because there is no system for REWARD. (yet)
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Chiri wrote on 2010-05-10 05:55
You don't really get my point .-.;
The reward is fun for the player.
Gaining online currency and items from a virtual dungeon is just one way people have fun.
Other people have fun battling each other.
It boils down to the same thing, because all everyone is doing is wasting time (and money?) online.
Plus I guess if they PvP enough, their number goes up.
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Cucurbita wrote on 2010-05-10 05:56
Quote from Aubog007;32421:
There are no tangible rewards for PvPing that isn't broken by the game. (guild battle is still broken after over a year.)
That's why i BASE my opinion on that because there is no system for REWARD.
Fun is a reward.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2010-05-10 05:57
Quote from Chiri;32427:
You don't really get my point .-.;
The reward is fun for the player.
Gaining online currency and items from a virtual dungeon is just one way people have fun.
Other people have fun battling each other.
It boils down to the same thing, because all everyone is doing is wasting time (and money?) online.
Plus I guess if they PvP enough, their number goes up.
I get your point remember these are just opinions and not facts.
Dueling is fun.
I don't get how camping people is fun though. I KNOW it isn't fun because you can tell when people get annoyed when they PvP
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Cucurbita wrote on 2010-05-10 06:04
Quote from Aubog007;32430:
I get your point remember these are just opinions and not facts.
Dueling is fun.
I don't get how camping people is fun though. I KNOW it isn't fun because you can tell when people get annoyed when they PvP
Trolling is hilarious too.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2010-05-10 06:13
Quote from kitaek27;32436:
Trolling is hilarious too.
Eh I don't get enjoyment from other people's misery. >_>
Also I don't really express my opinions because usually I can't put it out in a concise form. Usually it's in the form of random lines mashed together to form a somewhat coherent statement.
So i apologize if people misunderstood what my original intent was and I apologize for misunderstanding others too.
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Kiex wrote on 2010-05-10 06:31
Personally I dont think thers a point to pvp... its just a time killer/ some enjoyment out of it kind thing.
I usually watch elf giant pvp with pvp turned on till i get attacked then I attack back however many times the person attacked me. I dont really take it too seriously lol. Its kinda fun watching ppl rage and call each other names cuz of "randoming" or smthing like that (hence the reason why i just watch sometimes).
Though when someones getting camped and I feel the group thats camping is a bit arrogant or smthing I sometimes just step in randomly. lol one dude the other day was camping with his golem, calling the person noob then I just went and killed the caster, which started a game of me hide and him rage seeking. lol that was kinda fun.
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Cucurbita wrote on 2010-05-10 06:38
Quote from Aubog007;32438:
Eh I don't get enjoyment from other people's misery. >_>
Its not "misery", its aggravation, and thats why its funny.