Is my Char trash....noob questions

• Waveord wrote on 2011-02-09 22:01

  Quote from lovemehate;327765:

  wow that was a great deal of info, thank you very much. I guess Ill work on WM, and refine, some crit. Ill worry about magic or possibly alchemy when i get those to where they need to be.
  
  lol now I just need to understand the gear!
  
  It seems I see a lot of pro players with 0 def or 2 def gear on, Is It not that important?
  
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  if i windmill a group of mobs like 3 or so, am gunna get owned! I just thought about that, whats the rotation then? I honestly never used wm

  
  
  Like Moppy said earlier, Mabi is about not getting hit, mostly because higher level enemies deal upwards of 60 damage per hit, and most players don't have more than 200-300 HP, at least as far as I know. So one hit from an enemy will take out 1/5 of your HP, and most enemies have a two or three hit combo. You're looking at losing half of your health from a single slip-up, right there, and without insanely high defense and protection, there's not much you can do about it. To that end, armor with high protection/defense isn't really needed. You CAN use it if you're not so good at the whole "avoiding damage" concept (Like me), but you really don't need to, especially at higher levels. And if you don't need to spend a ton of money on a set of heavy armor and enchants, then that's some extra cash for you.
  
  As for windmilling mobs of mobs, most, if not all enemies will attack you if you attack them. So if you WM three mobs, they'll probably all aggro you. If they're low-level mobs like spiders or something, you'll be fine. If they're goblins, though, you're pretty screwed, because your WM is so low currently. But, if your WM skill is high enough, you can take them out with a single WM, lowering the danger that comes with being multiaggro'd. And in most dungeons, mobs will multiaggro you a lot.
  
  Sorry if what I say isn't quite accurate; I'm just coming back to Mabi after a few months, so I need to get back in the saddle.
• Ryoko wrote on 2011-02-10 06:02

  Quote from Waveord;327881:

  Like Moppy said earlier, Mabi is about not getting hit, mostly because higher level enemies deal upwards of 60 damage per hit, and most players don't have more than 200-300 HP, at least as far as I know. So one hit from an enemy will take out 1/5 of your HP, and most enemies have a two or three hit combo. You're looking at losing half of your health from a single slip-up, right there, and without insanely high defense and protection, there's not much you can do about it. To that end, armor with high protection/defense isn't really needed. You CAN use it if you're not so good at the whole "avoiding damage" concept (Like me), but you really don't need to, especially at higher levels. And if you don't need to spend a ton of money on a set of heavy armor and enchants, then that's some extra cash for you.
  
  As for windmilling mobs of mobs, most, if not all enemies will attack you if you attack them. So if you WM three mobs, they'll probably all aggro you. If they're low-level mobs like spiders or something, you'll be fine. If they're goblins, though, you're pretty screwed, because your WM is so low currently. But, if your WM skill is high enough, you can take them out with a single WM, lowering the danger that comes with being multiaggro'd. And in most dungeons, mobs will multiaggro you a lot.
  
  Sorry if what I say isn't quite accurate; I'm just coming back to Mabi after a few months, so I need to get back in the saddle.

  
  
  The combat system makes it so the objective of the combat is to not get hit. Some players focus entirely on Luck for crit, and have like 1 HP and a bunch of MP to just Mana Shield cover over. Critical is pretty cruicial for elves, so I can see why an elf would do so if they were going to use Range a lot.
  
  Humans should stick to melee mostly, because their range is like...You has to walk or stay still.. while loading an arrow...? Like seriously? Least R1 AR sort of makes up for this.
  
  Defense matters because sometimes when you have those little slip-ups, you'll at least back up for what you missed and then get back to the normal combat you were at. If you don't level a lot, get Protection +2 accessories, and Golem enchants on everything so have the pretty high protection for pretty easy to obtain enchants. But you shouldn't focus on enchants at this level yet, just focus on ranking your skills so you can avoid those slip-ups.
• truefire wrote on 2011-02-10 09:27

  Quote from lovemehate;327765:

  wow that was a great deal of info, thank you very much. I guess Ill work on WM, and refine, some crit. Ill worry about magic or possibly alchemy when i get those to where they need to be.
  
  lol now I just need to understand the gear!
  
  It seems I see a lot of pro players with 0 def or 2 def gear on, Is It not that important?
  
  edit:
  
  if i windmill a group of mobs like 3 or so, am gunna get owned! I just thought about that, whats the rotation then? I honestly never used wm

  
  
  First, note that multiple enemies will always require at least 4 targets to be affected by the training conditions. If it's multiple hits, at least four targets have to be hit at the same time. If it's multiple kills, at least four enemies have to die from that Windmill.
  
  Early on, you'll need some tricks to pull off multiple hits/kills of Windmill. The first is N+WM, a modification of N+1, N meaning your basic melee combo and the +1 meaning an additional hit. To utilize it, it's best to use a slow melee weapon with a high amount of stun. What you would do is initiate the first hit of your melee swing, and then wait a moment (until the enemy's stun is almost done, or when your swing animation is almost done, whichever is easier to judge it by), then finish the combo. For N+WM, it's the same thing, except a Windmill would replace the final hit of the combo, and you would be preparing the Windmill right as your second-to-last hit lands. This is admittedly more of a single-target application, but, if used in conjunction with the next tip below, it should prove useful.
  
  Form a party (you don't need any other members but yourself), and set the finish rule to "Anyone Can Finish." What this does is when your enemy dies, they're defeated but not fully dead. You can walk up to their comatose body and deliver the finishing blow. Now, the trick with this is to pile up a bunch of corpses in one spot, and then to finish them at the same time with Windmill.
  
  Another good way to train multiple hits/kills is to go into any dungeon that has a bunch of mimics all gathered in a group, which will become useful once the multiple hits/kills only accepts multiple strong enemy hits/kills. When it gets to that point, note that you only need one strong enemy in the group. All other enemies can be weaker, but not stronger. (ie. 3 weakest and one strong, but not 3 strong and one boss). Early on, the graveyard in Tir Chonaill is useful, because spiders like to follow you when you get too close. They're also useful for easy completion of the "Counter with Windmill" requirement. Put your back to a wall and aggro a spider, right as the spider is hitting you, set combat to automatic and start prepping Windmill as you're knocked back. If done correctly, you will automatically Windmill upon getting up (no further button presses required). Remember to switch back to manual after every attempt, though. Gray town rats are a decent source of multiple hits/kills if they're unlucky enough to scurry into the same vicinity. This takes a bit more patience at times, though.
  
  With the implementation of G13, Windmill training should be much easier than in the past if you choose the Warrior Destiny at rebirth, as it will halve the amount of work you have to do for all non-ranged and non-Critical Hit combat skills. I wasn't so lucky, though. *shudders* But I regret nothing! Windmill is awesome! *hugs Master of Windmill title* :3
• manasou wrote on 2011-02-10 16:20
  No one has mentioned life skills?!
  
  If you're up to it and have AP to spare, start on Carpentry for Str. If you have a low production rank, maybe try joining a production party on Mondays to give ya a bit of boost. You won't get far if you don't have a good weaving or someone to supply you materials for higher ranks, but at least you'll get to Rank A (I believe it is). There are other life skills that boost up certain stats too and by looking here, you can see what I mean: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Stats_and_Skills
  
  OH, and I suggest you rb for free (always rb to age 17 to rb for free every 3 weeks). That is if you can't afford to buy rb cards. :) AND make sure to do some exploration. Every effort counts towards AP and with AP, you can rank things faster.
  
  Good luck! You have much grinding to do!
• truefire wrote on 2011-02-10 17:02

  Quote from manasou;329079:

  No one has mentioned life skills?!
  
  If you're up to it and have AP to spare, start on Carpentry for Str.

  
  
  Carpentry was likely not mentioned because he does not have the AP to spare for that yet. While it does have the highest strength-per-AP efficiency of any strength-granting skill, Combat Mastery is superior for overall damage, because it boosts balance, strength, dexterity (more balance and some slight benefit to ranged), and raw melee damage. The efficiency chart does not account for that. What's more, Carpentry in relation to melee is desirable solely for the strength, whereas various combat tree skills are desirable for their stat-based and practical applications (higher damage, higher control etc.). There are simply far more valuable skills to use AP on at this time.