Selectivity & Promiscuity

• Mama wrote on 2011-02-12 20:01
  Parental investment:
  men- copulation
  female- copulation, gestation, lactation
  
  Constraints on reproductive success:
  men- number of fertile women they can inseminate
  women- quantity & quality of resources they can secure
  
  Hypothesized Consequences for Evolved Sex Difference
  -men devote a larger proportion of their total mating effort to short-term mating
  -women devote a larger proportion of their total mating effort to long-term mating. Women should by extension be more selective in pursuit of romantic partners.
  
  
  Clark & Hatfield (1989): An attractive man or woman confederate approached strangers of the opposite sex on a college campus and said, "I've been noticing you around campus. I find you very attractive." The confederate then posed one of three randomly selected questions:
  
  "Would you go out with me tonight?"
  % of WOMEN who said Yes: 50%
  % of MEN who said Yes: 50%
  
  "Would you come over to my apartment tonight?"
  % of WOMEN who said Yes: 6%
  % of MEN who said Yes: 69%
  
  "Would you go to bed with me tonight?"
  % of WOMEN who said Yes: 0%
  % of MEN who said Yes: 75%
  
  Thus, an attractive woman's desire for a short-term commitment brings out man's desire for promiscuity.
  
  /end notes
  
  So, do you think any of this has validity with regards to explaining relationship problems?
  It seems biased towards men, and of course things are always more complex than what is shown at face value. Women also are promiscuous, but not coincidentally they tend to do it to take advantage of men's wealth.
  
  I mostly posted this to show you guys the study, because I thought the results were pretty hilarious.
• Wing wrote on 2011-02-12 20:05
  .....0% for the 3rd question..what?
• Roy Mustang wrote on 2011-02-12 20:06
  Most men like to bang. Simple of that. Men love sex.
• Mama wrote on 2011-02-12 20:10

  Quote from Drawinq;332690:

  .....0% for the 3rd question..what?

  
  no women in that sample were interested in sleeping with an attractive man they just met who showed interest in them.
  

  Quote from kingofrunes;332693:

  Most men like to bang. Simple of that. Men love sex.

  
  i wonder how safe it is to actually assume that the 75% of men in that sample were all single <_<
• Wing wrote on 2011-02-12 20:10

  Quote from kingofrunes;332693:

  Most men like to bang. Simple of that. Men love sex.

  
  all they care about is sex.
• Roy Mustang wrote on 2011-02-12 20:15

  Quote from Mama;332704:

  
  i wonder how safe it is to actually assume that the 75% of men in that sample were all single <_<

  
  
  Probably pretty safe as they would think twice about cheating on their wife.
• Bride wrote on 2011-02-12 20:19

  Quote from Mama;332704:

  i wonder how safe it is to actually assume that the 75% of men in that sample were all single <_<

  
  imo not very XD
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2011-02-12 20:31
  Well, of course the study makes sense. Women can get pregnant, and men can't. Pregnancy is a much longer commitment (even if you end it quickly with abortion, which cost you money) than just mere ejaculation of the sperm.
• Mama wrote on 2011-02-12 20:33

  Quote from EndlessDreams;332752:

  Well, of course the study makes sense. Women can get pregnant, and men can't. Pregnancy is a much longer commitment (even if you end it quickly with abortion, which cost you money) than just mere ejaculation of the sperm.

  
  
  abortions are freeeeee in canada, but the procedure isn't exactly pleasant and entirely risk-free.
  
  and yes, it's a basic concept.
• Yoorah wrote on 2011-02-12 20:39
  A couple points, off the top of my head.. First, that study was done over 20 years ago. While perhaps not by much, I think it's safe to assume that a typical college girl's desire to have sex with a random hot guy may have changed since then. Sex is becoming more and more casual and people start going at it younger than ever. The other thing that you have to take into account is how the test subjects' answers depended on how they thought they'd be perceived by society. Guy: Sex with a hot girl, hell yeah! Girl: Will my friends think I'm a whore if they find out?
  
  That 0% result made me laugh, though. I can also tell you with 100% certainty that it wouldn't be accurate here. :P And you don't have to be that good looking, either.
• Cynic wrote on 2011-02-12 20:48
  It's rude to say all men care about is sex. I honestly could care LESS about it. It's such a dull topic.
  Women seem to hate men that stereotype them.. so how does that give you the right to stereotype us? I'm not going to deny the majority of men are idiots who think with their penis, but.. c'mon. Not all of us are like that.
  You don't see us calling you all sluts because certain women let themselves get used like a piece of meat. :/
• pinkkea wrote on 2011-02-12 20:55
  What do you do to your meat?
• Roy Mustang wrote on 2011-02-12 21:11

  Quote from Yoorah;332769:

  A couple points, off the top of my head.. First, that study was done over 20 years ago. While perhaps not by much, I think it's safe to assume that a typical college girl's desire to have sex with a random hot guy may have changed since then. Sex is becoming more and more casual and people start going at it younger than ever. The other thing that you have to take into account is how the test subjects' answers depended on how they thought they'd be perceived by society. Guy: Sex with a hot girl, hell yeah! Girl: Will my friends think I'm a whore if they find out?
  
  That 0% result made me laugh, though. I can also tell you with 100% certainty that it wouldn't be accurate here. :P And you don't have to be that good looking, either.

  
  
  Where is this mystical place where people will bang regardless of looks?
• Mama wrote on 2011-02-12 21:11

  Quote from Yoorah;332769:

  A couple points, off the top of my head.. First, that study was done over 20 years ago. While perhaps not by much, I think it's safe to assume that a typical college girl's desire to have sex with a random hot guy may have changed since then. Sex is becoming more and more casual and people start going at it younger than ever. The other thing that you have to take into account is how the test subjects' answers depended on how they thought they'd be perceived by society. Guy: Sex with a hot girl, hell yeah! Girl: Will my friends think I'm a whore if they find out?
  
  That 0% result made me laugh, though. I can also tell you with 100% certainty that it wouldn't be accurate here. :P And you don't have to be that good looking, either.

  
  
  Yes, gender inequality was very different back then. however I still think you'll find similar results, but the size difference will only be smaller. Being such a simple experiment is a beautiful thing.
  
  and attractiveness was a very important variable, because men put attractiveness as one of the most important things in a woman (putting aside eye of the beholder, etc etc). If the person in the study was unattractive, you'll find the results would have been completely different.
  women, on the flipside do not, they put more value in an ambitious husband who makes money.
  
  in first world countries like america and canada these differences are smaller but they are still there. It's much more pronounced in places with little gender equality because women have little choice but to look for a man to support them because education is not available to them, letter alone a good paying job.
  
  I'm also pretty certain promiscuity is a problem, and promiscuity was a problem back then! this study brought to light evolutionary differences, less of culture and societal differences that changed the most during a 22 year period.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2011-02-12 21:46

  Quote from Mama;332763:

  abortions are freeeeee in canada, but the procedure isn't exactly pleasant and entirely risk-free.
  
  and yes, it's a basic concept.

  
  
  It will still cost you money in terms of getting there, using up your time, maybe taking off work, and/or if there happened to be side-effects from it.