I need a move to raft with DX.

• Okitaru wrote on 2011-02-12 23:57

  Quote from EndlessDreams;333181:

  Even if you are some champion with SoGs, you are just gambling on that luck. Thunder is guarantee hit at about the same range, at about the same mana cost as Crash Shot.

  
  
  SoG is dead easy to hit. Dead easy. Doing Okami combos in the right rhythm is harder than SoGing. Unless you lag. It's not even a gamble, and crashshot doesn't have a mob limit, I've seen it go onpar with R1 thunder at R5, so yeah.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2011-02-13 00:05

  Quote from Chuugoku;333192:

  SoG is dead easy to hit. Dead easy. Doing Okami combos in the right rhythm is harder than SoGing. Unless you lag. It's not even a gamble, and crashshot doesn't have a mob limit, I've seen it go onpar with R1 thunder at R5, so yeah.

  
  
  Actually, Crash Shot does have a mob limit, but it is hard to find more than 6 goblins surrounding one in the river. If SoG was so easy to hit, more people would be doing SoGs. SoG is gambling on the supposed magically frame and/or the low % amount to actually hit.
• Yanm wrote on 2011-02-13 00:11

  Quote from Chuugoku;333192:

  SoG is dead easy to hit. Dead easy. Doing Okami combos in the right rhythm is harder than SoGing. Unless you lag. It's not even a gamble, and crashshot doesn't have a mob limit, I've seen it go onpar with R1 thunder at R5, so yeah.

  
  
  Mobs in Rafting are all in packs of 4. Crash Shot can easily hit 4 targets starting at rank 9. It DOES have a mob limit though, which is 6 targets. I still see Thunder as better than Crash Shot, but only because it'll never miss. I have r5 CS myself and 273 base dex. I raft perfectly fine with it and I can kill most stuff easily except for the warriors unless I crit them. However, what does irritate me about CS is having to aim and missing. I've been in plenty of situations where I gotta shoot as low as 50% and I miss majority of the time. I've missed in the 90's as well, which just makes me wanna rage badly. I love Crash Shot, but I kinda do wish it aimed faster.
  
  EDIT: Somewhat Ninja'd.....
• sakraycore wrote on 2011-02-13 00:21
  It is annoying how I miss at 50% way more than just 50% of the time. The percents are so messed up.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2011-02-13 00:51

  Quote from Yanm;333224:

  Mobs in Rafting are all in packs of 4. Crash Shot can easily hit 4 targets starting at rank 9. It DOES have a mob limit though, which is 6 targets. I still see Thunder as better than Crash Shot, but only because it'll never miss. I have r5 CS myself and 273 base dex. I raft perfectly fine with it and I can kill most stuff easily except for the warriors unless I crit them. However, what does irritate me about CS is having to aim and missing. I've been in plenty of situations where I gotta shoot as low as 50% and I miss majority of the time. I've missed in the 90's as well, which just makes me wanna rage badly. I love Crash Shot, but I kinda do wish it aimed faster.
  
  EDIT: Somewhat Ninja'd.....

  
  
  Crash Shot damages seven targets at r1.
  
  If you're decent at ranged, you can easily obtain max stars on each leg every time. Decent at range means knowing when and where to aim and when to fire while having the stats to support your character.
  
  That being said, you can effectively use either while rafting.
• sakraycore wrote on 2011-02-13 00:56
  what is max stars?
• Yanm wrote on 2011-02-13 00:58
  6 big and 1 small
• newpants wrote on 2011-02-13 00:58
  I find crash shot superior to thunder there. Unless you're using mana reduction + r1 lightning mastery + whatever else, crash shot will be always be much more mp efficient.
  
  I don't know how much mp thunder uses up, but I end up using about 360-400 mp total for the 3 legs for getting 6 big 1 stars and whatever in the middle (yes there are misses, but whatever). I generally aim for 85%, and if I miss, whatever. Misses on the 1st and 3rd leg don't matter much, you can always make them up (unless you miss them all).
  
  Also, lightning wand repair costs are more pricey. Though I guess it's not that big of an issue.
  
  With 20 int though, it sounds like you've been actively avoiding magic, so why start now?
• Kaeporo wrote on 2011-02-13 00:59

  Quote from sakraycore;333323:

  what is max stars?

  
  
  31+
  
  The second leg only has 28 mobs.
  
  Edit(1): Ninja'd
• sakraycore wrote on 2011-02-13 01:25

  Quote from Kaeporo;333341:

  31+
  
  The second leg only has 28 mobs.
  
  Edit(1): Ninja'd

  
  
  You can get more than 6 big and 1 small right, it just won't matter..?
• Ryoko wrote on 2011-02-13 01:26
  I would that both are practically even to each other, having their advantages and disadvantages as well.
  
  Crash Shot: The probability of missing a shot, and then not being able to charge up another one before you get hit or so, and relying in SoG in order to hit the enemies when you're nearly past them. I would even load range instead and spam it, since it is way faster aim, and probably better than nothing. If you do end up KOing it with the shot itself and not the fragment, sometimes it doesn't hit all of the mobs if you're aiming at something like.. Behind the mobs that you'd want to hit. Pre-loading Crash Shot before the mobs is what I usually do, and aim at the thing you want to hit ahead of time, to get that extra percent of aim on.
  
  Thunder: Doesn't miss, but wands are somewhat of a hassle for some people to repair. Not to mention the extra charges for more attack radius. Takes even more time to charge up more charges though, compared to Crash Shot's slow aim.
  
  
  Both relies on pretty much Int or Dex to KO mobs, but either way, in my opinion, they're pretty much even when it comes to comparison.
  

  Quote from sakraycore;333435:

  You can get more than 6 big and 1 small right, it just won't matter..?

  
  
  It will not matter for the gold or exploration exp, that is the max you can get. It'll give you the amount you'd get with 6 big and one small star nevertheless.
• Wing wrote on 2011-02-13 01:27

  Quote from sakraycore;333435:

  You can get more than 6 big and 1 small right, it just won't matter..?

  
  
  you can get more but the exp won't change after 31.