staff evie revamp - more information

• xJac wrote on 2011-03-20 16:43
  The whole complain thing started in KR, not in NA, so make sure you look into the situation in KR, and not NA. Also, we haven't reach the episode that KR started complain about staff power, so I think it's unreasonable for any of us, to claim whether staff is useful or useless until we have played it.
  
  Right now, staff's heal is still useful, and staff's damage is not severely below others. The whole argument of heal is pitiful, or useless, is based on player' skill. In a noob party, heal won't be able to keep up, therefore pitiful. In a pro party, no one will get hit, therefore useless. But what happened to the people in between?
  
  I think very few of users here, can claim that they never get hit, right? Once got hit, depending on the damage, a player will have to decide to whether potting, or continue on attacking. Potting means taking away more time damaging, and continue attacking means risking your life. Staff, who can only deal decent damage once in a while, can take this opportunity and heal you, without hurting the party's overall dps.
  
  Don't say that potting is easy or doesn't take too long. I noticed, in my solo runs, that if I pot a lot, I usually suffer in clearing time and also risk being hit. If I didn't, it would be faster, as long as I don't make mistakes again. Even in party, potting usually means aggro, if you're unable to finish drinking the potion before the boss reaches you, it means death. Now, staff fills in this situation. Her heal isn't enough to save you from that last hit, but is able to let you stay on the battle.
  
  When KR players complained about staff heal being little (fix amount as opposed to 2k+ hp), trash clearing is painful (ep6 trash mob is really an issue), dodge not useful (well, we all know it's quite pathetic dodge); NA players took those complains and tried to fit those complains into NA. It didn't work out, there are still people who love staff and good at it. So people proceed to troll one another, and spreading the rumor "staff is useless".
• Martzi wrote on 2011-03-20 18:26

  Quote from Habskii;378892:

  Correct. WHen Ice spear is used, ther eis a 5 min cooldown. The reason whil it is still used is because it does alot of dmg. It does a bit more than fire, if im right. and u can keep spaming after the 5 mins resistance is gone u can freeze again. Probably with higher ranks the cooldown time will lessen to maybe about 3 mins at max rank. The Ice blast Aoe is the same but is more effective on mobs. It does a bit less than firebolt, and there is a 10 second cooldown after the second use...or is it first use... :\ *Shrugs, and hops off to my spear lann*

  
  
  Oh! That makes sense! So, it still freezes them (there is no chance of not freezing them), but it has a cooldown which makes it resistant.. that's a very strategic skill. However, I think they got a little too carried away with CDs... some of them are unnecessarily high and it would make Evie more effective if they lessened them at least.
  
  And, I agree with xJac's point... the heal is useful, and what's great about it is it depends on player skill. Part of the revamp makes the need for player skill much less and her difficulty could be on par with Scythe, versus being on a much higher level before, though that doesn't seem to be the case as some one said before. I agree all the way with Jac though and that's why I brought up the argument in the first place, because Staff Evie's aren't useless.
• xJac wrote on 2011-03-20 19:14
  lol, too bad I deleted the post by accident, I am by no mean going to type it all up again.
  
  To be short, a lot of factors contributed to the KR players complaining about staff, but we, NA players, haven't reach that stage yet (episode 6 and later). It's unfair to say staffs are useless while staffs play perfectly fine as of now, maybe just a bit more skill required, like spears.
• Charms wrote on 2011-03-20 21:21

  Quote from Martzi;379122:

  Oh! That makes sense! So, it still freezes them (there is no chance of not freezing them), but it has a cooldown which makes it resistant.. that's a very strategic skill. However, I think they got a little too carried away with CDs... some of them are unnecessarily high and it would make Evie more effective if they lessened them at least.
  
  And, I agree with xJac's point... the heal is useful, and what's great about it is it depends on player skill. Part of the revamp makes the need for player skill much less and her difficulty could be on par with Scythe, versus being on a much higher level before, though that doesn't seem to be the case as some one said before. I agree all the way with Jac though and that's why I brought up the argument in the first place, because Staff Evie's aren't useless.

  
  
  I wouldn't say that the revamp makes the need for player skill less, one because we don't have it yet and you have no idea what skill it requires. I think it's going to require SOME skill to stand still and charge up spells while being aware of everything that's going on around you to be sure you don't get attacked. I think that a lot of people aren't liking the fact that they've put in a lot of time doing the same thing and nearly perfected it, just for it to change up so drastically. Staffs do play fine as of now - as xJac and yourself have pointed out - but I can't possibly understand, being a staff Evie myself, how anyone could say that the revamp just flat out isn't necessary. It's not that Staff Evie right now is even difficult to play, there's just a lot of gimp bull that's integrated with staff. The pitiful range, the lack of a dodge, the lack of skill slots because of gems, and the sorry ass melee skills that build up more SP then Magic Arrow. I think it's ridiculous for any Staff Evie to try and say this revamp isn't about to help us, sorry. I'm glad that Masterdo seems to understand this, and shed some light to the new opportunities the revamp really gives us.
• Martzi wrote on 2011-03-20 21:25

  Quote from xJac;379181:

  lol, too bad I deleted the post by accident, I am by no mean going to type it all up again.
  
  To be short, a lot of factors contributed to the KR players complaining about staff, but we, NA players, haven't reach that stage yet (episode 6 and later). It's unfair to say staffs are useless while staffs play perfectly fine as of now, maybe just a bit more skill required, like spears.

  
  
  This is the post, coincidentally i had the thread still open from the morning xD
  
  The whole complain thing started in KR, not in NA, so make sure you look into the situation in KR, and not NA. Also, we haven't reach the episode that KR started complain about staff power, so I think it's unreasonable for any of us, to claim whether staff is useful or useless until we have played it.
  
  Right now, staff's heal is still useful, and staff's damage is not severely below others. The whole argument of heal is pitiful, or useless, is based on player' skill. In a noob party, heal won't be able to keep up, therefore pitiful. In a pro party, no one will get hit, therefore useless. But what happened to the people in between?
  
  I think very few of users here, can claim that they never get hit, right? Once got hit, depending on the damage, a player will have to decide to whether potting, or continue on attacking. Potting means taking away more time damaging, and continue attacking means risking your life. Staff, who can only deal decent damage once in a while, can take this opportunity and heal you, without hurting the party's overall dps.
  
  Don't say that potting is easy or doesn't take too long. I noticed, in my solo runs, that if I pot a lot, I usually suffer in clearing time and also risk being hit. If I didn't, it would be faster, as long as I don't make mistakes again. Even in party, potting usually means aggro, if you're unable to finish drinking the potion before the boss reaches you, it means death. Now, staff fills in this situation. Her heal isn't enough to save you from that last hit, but is able to let you stay on the battle.
  
  When KR players complained about staff heal being little (fix amount as opposed to 2k+ hp), trash clearing is painful (ep6 trash mob is really an issue), dodge not useful (well, we all know it's quite pathetic dodge); NA players took those complains and tried to fit those complains into NA. It didn't work out, there are still people who love staff and good at it. So people proceed to troll one another, and spreading the rumor "staff is useless".
• Habskii wrote on 2011-03-20 22:04
  the reason why evies are given an extra amount of shields, is because of the cast system. If you seen in most video's they loose about 6 shields and are left with 3 or 4 when casting blind arrow. It's so u don't get knocked down or die too easily while casting.
• whocares8128 wrote on 2011-03-21 15:11

  Quote from Micho;378851:

  I think they both have a cooldown. When you freeze a boss with Ice Spear they will be resistant to freeze for 5 minutes I believe, not sure though. And you always have Mana Amber to use when situations get tight.

  
  
  From what I've seen, it appears that the first time Ice Spear is used on a boss, it will freeze for a decent amount of time. On its second use, the boss will be frozen for less of a duration. Following that, the skill will only deal damage (at least, until some timer, which I don't think is shown, ends).
• Habskii wrote on 2011-03-22 04:27

  Quote from whocares8128;379952:

  From what I've seen, it appears that the first time Ice Spear is used on a boss, it will freeze for a decent amount of time. On its second use, the boss will be frozen half as long a duration. Following that, the skill will only deal damage (at least, until some timer, which I don't think is shown, ends).

  
  It is shown just hard to see what the cooldown is since the box are small, it may also be shown when you use the flying sparrow(evade) on the right of ur char it will show w.e skills are on cooldown atm.I've also seen it when an evie is running for a period of time. Ill try find a vid
  
  here it is, @0:38
  [video=youtube;buMgL9t1tKM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buMgL9t1tKM[/video]
• Conor wrote on 2011-03-22 04:52
  ogod.
  I want it right now.
• whocares8128 wrote on 2011-03-22 16:47
  @Habskii: Ah, thanks for posting the video. If you look closely, you'll see the armor display pop up, right as the other icons show, so I imagine you could simply hold the ALT key down to bring up this information.
  
  So is this how we will see all the spell cooldowns? What about Evie's revive skill, or the cooldown before the same person can be revived by an Evie again? It used to be that all this stuff was visible as a "buff" where any party member could see them.
  
  Edit: Aren't the cooldowns at 0:38 just the spell cooldowns (i.e. the time before the spell can be used again)? The timer I mentioned is the 5-minute countdown before a boss can be frozen again (which appears to be located on the boss itself).
  
  Also, by my count from that video, the first Ice Spear stopped the boss for about 5 seconds, while the second freezing lasted only 1 second, but apparently all these things are still subject to change/tweaks.
• Habskii wrote on 2011-03-23 11:07
  Yes it is. Something like the ember revive debuff will still be displayed for everyone as usual. It's just her spell specific skills that aren't shown for everyone.
  Yeah, but there are other evies spamming ice spear too. I think afl said something about multiple ice spears like he was the initial person to freeze thor. if you see the other evies using it, thor doesn't freeze. And either way f it was only him spamming it, the second IS would have lasted for 2.5 secs any way e.e