Fighting Verona Skeletons as Romeo

• truefire wrote on 2011-05-03 19:41

  Quote from Chihaya;433353:

  I honestly do not doubt this for a second. Romeo doesn't even have Combat Mastery or Critical Hit ._.;;
  
  What level is your Griffin? It seems like it's high leveled if it has plenty of Mana to fight those skeletons on Hardmode

  
  
  Romeo can learn Combat Mastery, Critical Hit, and Sword Mastery. The first simply by fighting, the second by critting with counter or being crit, the third by switching out your weapon slots then switching back. He has one spare AP, so he can get both Sword Mastery and Combat Mastery to rF, and either one of them to rE. Though yeah, Critical Hit can't do anything at rN. I've seriously been abusing the Sword Mastery thing since G13.
• Kenero wrote on 2011-05-03 19:51

  Quote from Chihaya;433340:

  Now... are you people on Hardmode? =3
  
  I believe the damage done by pets are too small to actually be significant, and then there's the limit of mana that pets can have.
  
  I DID say that it'll be easier on any other difficulty that's not Hardmode ^^

  
  
  Hard Mode for me when I did Smash mil.
  
  Though it's safer to do it not against a wall...
  
  Windmill will cause its AI most times to run around, meaning as soon as windmill is done, load smash then smash it to smithereens, then load windmill and knock it back, resetting its AI to run around in a semi-circle. Safer to pull off without a wall.
  
  The only problem with this is puts you to deadly quite easily but I finished mine doing this method on hard.
  
  Don't get me wrong.
  
  I like your guide, but don't dismiss Smashmil yet. =)
• Dracius wrote on 2011-05-04 00:02
  Put the aggro down in the guide too, I haven't ran Rabbie in a while and forgot it.
• Xemnas wrote on 2011-05-04 02:26

  Quote from Dracius;433683:

  Put the aggro down in the guide too, I haven't ran Rabbie in a while and forgot it.

  
  
  shadow warriors/fighters have the same AI
• truefire wrote on 2011-05-04 02:55

  Quote from Xemnas;433871:

  shadow warriors/fighters have the same AI

  
  
  Not true. Yes, they have similarities, but Skeletons are much more cautious by nature than Shadow Warriors/Fighters. Shadow Warriors are also very Smash-happy and when they do decide to do something else, it is very easy to tell whether it's Counterattack (they stand still; also, they rarely Counter at all) or Defense (they will continue to walk towards you even after coming within a certain range). Also, Smashing or knocking back an already aggro'd Shadow Warrior with anything but Windmill will make it run straight for you--this will even happen rarely after a Windmill. Shadow Warriors will also move in your general direction when they aren't committed to an attack 95% of the time. Shadow Fighters are closer to skeletons, but are more prone to running straight at you and/or cancelling their combos on you than Skeles. Their random movements are also considerably more random than a Skele's.
  
  Skeletons, on the other hand, instinctively run away from you upon being aggro'd. This will go on for a few seconds before they start to strafe you and then they will run straight at you. Part-way through that attack, they will either stick with it or load Smash/Defense/Counter. It's hard to distinguish between Counter and Defense on a Skeleton because from afar, they will stop moving right on the borderline of your WM range. You generally have to run further away to determine if they'll move closer to you (Defense) or continue standing still (Counter). After being knocked down, a Skeleton who preps Defense or Counter in response will hold that stance for much less time than they normally would before resuming their strafe pattern. Skeletons never run straight at you after being knocked down (exceptions are armored skeletons in the higher Rabbie dungeons, who incidentally will also occasionally run straight at you upon aggro). This of course is in reference to Skeles who do not know Windmill. Skeles who do will almost always make that their go-to ability on knockdown; Skeletons also never use Windmill offensively.
  
  Tl;dr: Shadow Warriors/Fighters have similarities with Skeletons in behavior AI, but they have some seriously major differences, far more than similarities.
• Xemnas wrote on 2011-05-04 04:14
  Fighters/warriors always act exactly the same as skeletons for me, including the differences you listed.
  
  I've also had lancers hit me once then load counter/defense mid combo.
• truefire wrote on 2011-05-04 04:24

  Quote from Xemnas;434077:

  Fighters/warriors always act exactly the same as skeletons for me, including the differences you listed.
  
  I've also had lancers hit me once then load counter/defense mid combo.

  
  
  Shadow Lancers have a considerably different AI from Fighters/Warriors. And again, I assure you, Fighter/Warrior AI might start out roundabout like Skeletons, but they are much more aggressive than Skeletons and if you're observing their behavior with intent of studying them as opposed to killing them, the differences become so much more apparent. They do not have the exact same AI.
• Karmel wrote on 2011-05-04 18:04
  Guys guys this stuff is REALLY simple after you smash, just load another one and stay within a semi close distance and wait for them to load a skill, you will hit them before their skill will finish, this is more useful for tybalt and parris though
• truefire wrote on 2011-05-04 19:38

  Quote from Karmel;434585:

  Guys guys this stuff is REALLY simple after you smash, just load another one and stay within a semi close distance and wait for them to load a skill, you will hit them before their skill will finish, this is more useful for tybalt and parris though

  
  
  Your "solution" will get a lot of people killed against skeletons, just so you know. Also, it's primarily gambling and guesswork. This guide is an attempt at understanding and manipulating enemy behavior properly to eliminate as much of the gambling and guesswork as is possible. Also, your "solution" doesn't hold weight during those times where Tybalt or Paris decide they want to run up and punch you in the face instead of loading a skill.
  
  Yes, fighting the skeletons with Romeo is easy, but not because of the strategy you listed.
• Nalgor wrote on 2011-05-04 19:39
  My cat(level 12, 42 mp) managed to almost kill a skeleton with ice counter AI....
  Before it lagged to death.
  
  Still saved some work from Romeo
• Dracius wrote on 2011-05-04 22:22
  @truefire: The way you described Skeletons are extremely similar to Goblins, at least for me.
• truefire wrote on 2011-05-04 22:27

  Quote from Dracius;434843:

  @truefire: The way you described Skeletons are extremely similar to Goblins, at least for me.

  
  
  Goblins are also similar to skeletons, but skeletons were the next step up. Goblins, who only know Smash and Defense, whenever they prep a skill, will continue to ominously walk towards you. If it's Smash, they will begin running at you about 5 or so seconds after they've started walking. Goblins are also more prone to running straight at you after being knocked down by a non-windmill skill. As a matter of fact, it's probably more accurate to say that Goblin AI has more in common with Shadow Warrior AI than Skeleton AI.
• Niuu wrote on 2011-07-09 01:23
  wait wait.. Yo ucan use pet during romeo's rp? How come? ( I never tryed..)
• Royale wrote on 2011-07-09 02:28
  i just waited for mob lag and spammed smash, since i am too laggy to smashmill...
• Legault wrote on 2011-07-09 03:05

  Quote from Niuu;505224:

  wait wait.. Yo ucan use pet during romeo's rp? How come? ( I never tryed..)

  
  
  You have to summon it before you go into the theater. However, you can't control it inside, you have to set an AI.