A quick guide into the races!

• Juno wrote on 2011-05-13 03:48
  If you know him, go talk to him face to face. Nothing good will come of playing out this altercation on the forums.
• Alexane wrote on 2011-05-13 12:42

  Quote from Vejosa;443483:

  
  
  EDIT:
  I forgot to mention about Javalin Mages,
  Javalin mages are giants that use An Atlati and throw attack mixed with bolt magic to deal damage.
  
  Because of the buff Nexon made with Javelins they have become a very powerful weapon, however they have horrible cool down, its possible to use this to your advantage though due to its high accuracy rate.
  
  Ever have those times were an enemy is chasing you and you know you don't have time to use defend or counter, and just run. Well if you use a Javelin (as your sub with Trinity staff as your prime) during those moments you can swap to your Javelin and throw a bolt since you can load your javelin as you run. This will give you lots of time to load defend, windmill or use some bolt magic.
  
  in G14s3 it gets even better, since your javelin throw is reduced to a 7 second cool down.
  You can throw a javelin, zap the enemy with a few Lighting bolts, then throw another javalin when the timer is up, doing massive amounts of damage with high accuracy.
  
  The problem with elves and humans mixing range with magic, well range misses...

  
  
  
  With all do respect, that's hybridization, if you want to get into hybridization i can list off a few other combos that will work much better than javelin mage's. For pure magic alone, they do less damage with mage. They are not as powerful in that perspective, as for speed, we have mounts so that's a moot points, giant mage's can be powerful but will never be /as/ powerful as humans or elves even if its a moot point like 30 int they are still weaker.(one of my best friends is a giant mage and she is very powerful but will never hit the 100% max damage a human or elf can hit)
  
  I have nothing against giant mage's, but they do and always will have a 'giant' handicap when it comes to mage stopping them from being the best.
  
  
  Any mage will tell you, Critical hits matters and giant mages deal more crits than elf or human mages.
  Giants are also faster than humans (slower than elves) and have the ability to charge without having to use a shield, which
  
  
  
  Umm,dear every race can cap at 130% crit so that is not true, giants do not deal more crits. while yes being slower you can also use petplay to control the ai not needing to run. charge without a
  shield....you got me there, that is just useful anywhere.
  
  
  
  Take an elf with 1000 MP rank N potion making no mana pots
  and a giant with 100 MP and rank 1 potion making and 9MP 100s
  
  Well, if we're doing it this way, stick both of them in siren adv hardmode, where mana shield is a must, one has to worry about mp while one can worry about controlling the aggro.
  
  *edit* Not trying to sound over cocky or like an ass i just get into these little debates, i find them fun ^.^
• Kaeporo wrote on 2011-05-13 12:55

  Quote from Vejosa;443483:

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  Melee: Race determines effectiveness (through weapon selection and skill load times)
  Range: Race determines effectiveness and flexbility (Damage output is largely identical, though elves sport greater DPS and mobility)
  Magic: Race determines efficiency (lower mana consumption versus greater AP investment)
  Alchemy: Largely equal
• kurokayshi wrote on 2011-05-13 17:36

  Quote from Juno;443559:

  If you know him, go talk to him face to face. Nothing good will come of playing out this altercation on the forums.

  
  
  already have. he's my little cousin
• Claudia wrote on 2011-05-14 00:09
  @alexane; sure, every class has the potential to cap out at 130% crit, but have you seen even a newbie Giant's base will? LOL, yeah. Talking about the potential for high Will =/= giants will always have higher crit than other races
  
  Also, it's kind of obvious that the OP isn't really going to fix this, no point in two people arguing over giant mages, one of whom doesn't even main a giant.
• truefire wrote on 2011-05-14 00:54

  Quote from Kaeporo;443809:

  Melee: Race determines effectiveness (through weapon selection and skill load times)
  Range: Race determines effectiveness and flexbility (Damage output is largely identical, though elves sport greater DPS and mobility)
  Magic: Race determines efficiency (lower mana consumption versus greater AP investment)
  Alchemy: Largely equal

  
  
  The thing is, for melee and range, race potential for damage is set in stone. No amount of AP will change your place in the race rankings, only in your personal performance. Mana efficiency for magic, however, when one thinks long-term, is really only important in the sense that you probably want enough of a mana pool to cast your most expensive spell at least twice before potting, and mana can go even higher than that; the difference in mana costs are noteworthy more on a scale of convenience than they are on a scale of performance, especially now that the game has more mana herbs than it knows what to do with. However, as far as potential magic damage is concerned, all the races are fairly equal. The more int-giving skills come out, the less teeth-pulling all races have to do to get max INT, and 600 is a feasible threshold for all the races regardless.
  
  I guess the point I'm making is that the disadvantage of a giant mage is one of convenience, as opposed to the disadvantage of a melee elf, which is one of accessibility, numbers and mechanics. So, really, magic was originally (as in, before alchemy came along) and still continues to be one of the two "great equalizers" of the four fighting styles, with alchemy splitting equality right down the middle.
• Alexane wrote on 2011-05-14 02:28

  Quote from Claudia;444329:

  @alexane; sure, every class has the potential to cap out at 130% crit, but have you seen even a newbie Giant's base will? LOL, yeah. Talking about the potential for high Will =/= giants will always have higher crit than other races

  
  
  lol, max will from stats at 1/1 is like 250 230 and 220 for each race, not exact numbers, but it's still too close for them to be at that much of an advantage, at most they have 3% more crit than humans. And that's at complete end game.
• SUNFLARE wrote on 2011-06-24 02:02
  Seem Gaints arent Liked in this Poll
• Joker wrote on 2011-06-24 02:06

  Quote from SUNFLARE;486764:

  Seem Gaints arent Liked in this Poll

  
  
  for 1... its kind of a necro...
  2nd of all you spelled giants wrong ~_~
  
  close thread ? idk up to admin
• SUNFLARE wrote on 2011-06-24 02:15
  Oops My bad xD
• TheKartheus wrote on 2011-06-24 08:27
  All races are equal in power for magic, but giants have much lower efficiency. Giants do have a slightly better blaze due to the str boost. The crit argument is laughable though.
  
  Giant mages are like melee elves in that it's possible to be good, but why even bother. It's like making a tank class in a typical MMO, and then getting maxed out +damage gear.