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ironwoman wrote on 2014-02-27 04:59
Also remember than NA guns don't have elemental reforges.
Which makes it seem really weak compared to KR gunners.
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JoseTheFro wrote on 2014-02-27 06:33
Quote from k1nsoo;1202397:
Aim for the 900 gun max!
Can't wait till festival food comes out
If i reforge my Taunes i'd be there xD. Would be epic with dowras tho
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kaozking wrote on 2014-02-27 06:36
Quote from ironwoman;1202402:
Also remember than NA guns don't have elemental reforges.
Which makes it seem really weak compared to KR gunners.
Neither does KR, they made a mistake and very few have ele guns and when i say very few i literally mean very few about maybe 2-5 guns with ele on them and someone in KR sold their car just for ele guns.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2014-02-27 06:38
Quote from kaozking;1202419:
Neither does KR, they made a mistake and very few have ele guns and when i say very few i literally mean very few about maybe 2-5 guns with ele on them and someone in KR sold their car just for ele guns.
Their value of money is different than ours.
I learned to stop comparing Korean gaming culture to NA culture.
If anyone in America actually did an exposé on the things certain players do here, would be mildly comparable to gambling addictions.
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wilson10000 wrote on 2014-02-27 23:00
Quote from Nui;1202380:
Not only that, but even with that max the same max or near the same max with something like archery and lances will do more damage. Elementals really put things on a whole other level....
Sadly lance and archery is only good against non ele immune. Guns are strong in lords and abyss monsters. I actually find lance to be over rated. Why use melee when you can puppet.
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Syliara wrote on 2014-02-27 23:06
Quote from wilson10000;1202651:
Sadly lance and archery is only good against non ele immune. Guns are strong in lords and abyss monsters. I actually find lance to be over rated. Why use melee when you can puppet.
Good is subjective, archery and lances can hold their own in lords but guns and puppetry does get an advantage over them because they are naturally strong and dont need elementals to hold their own. However elemental immune mobs arent that common and only in select places at this point so to about 95% of the content archery and lances have an advantage over guns and puppetry. Also lances have piercing for lords so they can still hit incredibly hard due to all the prot those mobs have.
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wilson10000 wrote on 2014-02-27 23:08
I can assure you lance piercing does not make up for the lack of elemental in lords. Crit shooting rush does way more than crit wm against ele immune.
Also even if there is ele immune or not, puppets are better than lances in terms of aoe. Lance is only good for 1v1 smashing imo.
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ironwoman wrote on 2014-02-27 23:31
Quote from wilson10000;1202655:
I can assure you lance piercing does not make up for the lack of elemental in lords. Crit shooting rush does way more than crit wm against ele immune.
Also even if there is ele immune or not, puppets are better than lances in terms of aoe. Lance is only good for 1v1 smashing imo.
As a lance user, I can assue you lance piercing does make it up.
But puppets are still better in aoe, that's what it was made for.
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wilson10000 wrote on 2014-02-27 23:32
Quote from ironwoman;1202663:
As a lance user, I can assue you lance piercing does make it up.
But puppets are still better in aoe, that's what it was made for.
I wish it was true because I used to main lance/gunner. My wm goes from +10k down to just 6kish that's a big decrease.
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Syliara wrote on 2014-02-27 23:33
Quote from wilson10000;1202655:
I can assure you lance piercing does not make up for the lack of elemental in lords. Crit shooting rush does way more than crit wm against ele immune.
Also even if there is ele immune or not, puppets are better than lances in terms of aoe. Lance is only good for 1v1 smashing imo.
Never said it made up for the lack of elementals, however it doesnt make lances crap or bad that they have no elementals.
Aoe doesnt necessarily make one skillset better than another, each skillset excells in specific things over the other skillsets. Lances have incredible single target burst damage, while things like guns and puppetry have mid->decent single target damage and strong aoe.
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ironwoman wrote on 2014-02-27 23:36
Quote from wilson10000;1202665:
I wish it was true because I used to main lance/gunner. My wm goes from +10k down to just 6kish that's a big decrease.
Except lances' specialty isn't aoe...
Its main use is to smash and one or two shot things. It still does a fine job with that in lords.
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wilson10000 wrote on 2014-02-27 23:40
Quote from Nui;1202666:
Never said it made up for the lack of elementals, however it doesnt make lances crap or bad that they have no elementals.
Aoe doesnt necessarily make one skillset better than another, each skillset excells in specific things over the other skillsets. Lances have incredible single target burst damage, while things like guns and puppetry have mid->decent single target damage and strong aoe.
Yes lance has good high single target damage, that's why it works in npc which is one of the only places that I ever use my lance nowadays. (lance/puppet) Great aoe and 1v1 capability.
But sadly newer content, field bosses, abyss, lords all have ele immune monsters. And puppet does a much faster job at clearing content than lance. Even gunner clears 1v1 content faster than lance when it's ele immune. Yes I've used lance/gunner before so I'm not just basing this off of no experience. I find lance/puppet to be a really good hybrid, but the missions i run nowadays have ele immunity like in abyss.
There is less reason for me to use my ele lance or bow when puppet and gunner does better in those immune missions.
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wilson10000 wrote on 2014-02-27 23:40
Quote from ironwoman;1202668:
Except lances' specialty isn't aoe...
Its main use is to smash and one or two shot things. It still does a fine job with that in lords.
And gunner pew pew/shooting rush, pew pew does the same thing too.
Or even way of the gun dps
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ironwoman wrote on 2014-02-27 23:47
Quote from wilson10000;1202674:
And gunner pew pew/shooting rush, pew pew does the same thing too.
Or even way of the gun dps
Except lance still does a better job at single target one-shot or two-shot.
Sure, the dps would be greater, but for a single time damage, smash still hits higher.
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wilson10000 wrote on 2014-02-27 23:49
You can test Flash launcher damage vs smash damage for ele immune monsters if you want. But aside from the single burst of damage, guns does higher 1v1 damage to ele immune monsters. Shoot 2-3 times, bullet slide, shooting rush, shoot 2 times. The monster is usually dead after shooting rush.