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BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2010-05-28 03:47
The cat just suddenly thought of this yesterday.
How does a person learn art?
Do they draw over and over again until they get better?
Is it just "talent" where they just do decent art when starting?
The reason why the cat thought of this is from the large amount of people out there who likes to draw.
Obviously, there's DevianArt. but w/e, not everyone draws good
How does someone learn art?
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hengsheng120 wrote on 2010-05-28 03:55
you can try to learn art as a kind of taste test, but to really master it, you need to have all your interest in it. (i.e. it should not feel like a big effort to learn to draw that you would rather do something else). I think the same goes for any hobby in life. People get good because they really do want and have the will to practice and do something for some reason (or even for no reason), even if they are not good at it.
The preferences to want to do something can be motivated by either external goals, by personality, or both. Personality is most influenced by the external environment during childhood on our hereditary factors.
talent is not talent without skill and effort.
effort is merely the perceived amount of energy used to do work.
talent is potential and skill is kenetic.
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-05-28 03:59
Like most things, massive amount of practice will help you improve, but to be really good at it, you must also really like it. To be the best, may require talent, which you cannot really tell if you really have or not.
Art School is also there to help you get new ideas, improve techniques, and lets you see all kinds of art.
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Cucurbita wrote on 2010-05-28 04:10
Learning to draw MAY seem like an ambiguous task, a talent which people seem to be born with.
But being born with artistic talent is only probably a very small factor.
Just like learning to play an instrument, or writing a novel, drawing is something that improves with practice. Lots of practice.
There are many techniques to art, which you learn slowly by experimenting by yourself. Certain aspects, such as color theory, guidelines, or tool usage, can be learned via books or classes.
Copying what exists really nails it into your head. If you're asked to draw a car, you probably wouldn't be able to nail all the details off the top of your head. Draw one by copying it directly about 3 or 4 times. You'll be able to do it off the top of your head instantly right after.
Same goes for drawing people.
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Paul wrote on 2010-05-28 04:50
I recall my Art teacher saying the ability to draw is not something your born with and is a lot easier to learn, she said she could teach us how to be a decent drawer in less than a quarter (school quarter). Said something like "anyone who can draw a circle, square or triangle can learn no problem." But apparently the class was about Art, not doing art itself.
Anyways, repetitive drawing seems to work for me, its like training in a mabinogi, work on an image enough and it'll become better. Although since I'm a lazy ace, my skills tend to dull, even though they sucked to begin with.
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Kazuni wrote on 2010-05-28 04:55
You have to like drawing, and practice.
A lot of people become good artists from just liking to draw at a young age and practicing o.o
And classes help with other things too. It's mostly whether you have a passion for art or not.
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Rue wrote on 2010-05-28 04:59
[FONT="Arial Narrow"][SIZE="3"]Art is not what you've got.
It's what you make of what you got.
And it's the effort and initiative that counts;
you could have an amazingly talented artist, but an average every day doodler who was
extremely passionate about drawing.
The doodler wins as better artist.
And personally! Art is everything and anything.
Anything in this world you can make an art,
all the art in this world makes UP the world.
IMO. Wouldn't you think so? (:
♫ Rue[/SIZE][/FONT]
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Cucurbita wrote on 2010-05-28 05:10
Quote from Rue;46328:
[FONT="Arial Narrow"]Art is not what you've got.
It's what you make of what you got.
And it's the effort and initiative that counts;
you could have an amazingly talented artist, but an average every day doodler who was
extremely passionate about drawing.
The doodler wins as better artist.
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Disagree.
Passion might sometimes show and give an edge, but an "average doodler" that puts passion into art is still going to be less than an exceptionally talented artist.
A frail student who spent his entire life in books probably can't fight off a professional boxer, no matter how much passion he has. We'll see the effort, but the outcome is the same nevertheless.
If an average doodler really had passion, he would probably practice to the point where he would eventually become what everyone else would think is "a talented artist". Talent has a limit, but everyone credits talent for the results.
You're right about effort. Its mostly effort and initiative that gets you to the point where you're good enough for people to start saying its natural talent. In other words, its a long term commitment. The Amazing Taented Artist didn't become what he is because he sat around with no effort and passion. At this point, his ability itself IS passion. Even if he doesn't give it as much effort in the short term for one piece of art, it will still be superior to that of someone who is a novice.
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Kazuni wrote on 2010-05-28 05:13
Quote from Rue;46328:
[FONT="Arial Narrow"][SIZE="3"]Art is not what you've got.
It's what you make of what you got.
And it's the effort and initiative that counts;
you could have an amazingly talented artist, but an average every day doodler who was
extremely passionate about drawing.
The doodler wins as better artist.
And personally! Art is everything and anything.
Anything in this world you can make an art,
all the art in this world makes UP the world.
IMO. Wouldn't you think so? (:
♫ Rue[/SIZE][/FONT]
I guess that depends on how you think about it. Normally, if you had a passion for art, you'd practice (or find a way to practice), and you'd get better. Creativity also comes with passion and love for art. Usually, passion and talent go together.
You would hardly ever find an artist who was amazing, but had no passion for art. Talent comes from work, and being gifted in an area (either with talent or passion) won't cut it.
The two go hand in hand, they're hard to divide.
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Rue wrote on 2010-05-28 05:21
Quote from Kazuni;46336:
I guess that depends on how you think about it. Normally, if you had a passion for art, you'd practice (or find a way to practice), and you'd get better. Creativity also comes with passion and love for art. Usually, passion and talent go together.
You would hardly ever find an artist who was amazing, but had no passion for art. Talent comes from work, and being gifted in an area (either with talent or passion) won't cut it.
The two go hand in hand, they're hard to divide.
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That's true so to speak,
but I'm an artist myself and I love art.
Yet, when my parents sign me up for art classes, I really hate it with a passion.
I guess art for me is more enjoyable and I am more passionate about it
when there is NO purpose, or a purpose that I strive for.
♫ Rue[/SIZE][/FONT]
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Cucurbita wrote on 2010-05-28 05:39
Quote from Rue;46349:
[FONT="Arial Narrow"][SIZE="3"]That's true so to speak,
but I'm an artist myself and I love art.
Yet, when my parents sign me up for art classes, I really hate it with a passion.
I guess art for me is more enjoyable and I am more passionate about it
when there is NO purpose, or a purpose that I strive for.
♫ Rue[/SIZE][/FONT]
Doesn't mean your art is going to be better than someone who spent 8 hours a day in class practicing art.
Of course no one likes mindless practicing and hardcore studying. But thats what passion is. The passion to go through the more difficult parts to improve what you love.
In the end, even with less effort and initiative their art will be better than someone who didn't go through the training, no matter how much passion they put into it.
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Rue wrote on 2010-05-28 05:54
Quote from Margatroid;46366:
Doesn't mean your art is going to be better than someone who spent 8 hours a day in class practicing art.
Of course no one likes mindless practicing and hardcore studying. But thats what passion is. The passion to go through the more difficult parts to improve what you love.
In the end, even with less effort and initiative their art will be better than someone who didn't go through the training, no matter how much passion they put into it.
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I think we have a different perspective on what passion is;
IMO it's what fuels someone strongly to follow their dreams, aspirations, such and so forth.
When I was little the teacher would tell me to draw "square" stones, and I'd
protest saying that stones could be spherical, and many different types of shapes.
Yeah, I guess it was stubborn too, but in a sense it was like a passion I had
to change up my teacher's strict views on what art really is.
True though, someone who devotes themselves greatly to art is strong passion for it, and that's why their art is always going to turn out better (even if it doesn't LOOK better) due to effort. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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Kazuni wrote on 2010-05-28 06:08
Quote from Rue;46383:
[FONT="Arial Narrow"][SIZE="3"]I think we have a different perspective on what passion is;
IMO it's what fuels someone strongly to follow their dreams, aspirations, such and so forth.
When I was little the teacher would tell me to draw "square" stones, and I'd
protest saying that stones could be spherical, and many different types of shapes.
Yeah, I guess it was stubborn too, but in a sense it was like a passion I had
to change up my teacher's strict views on what art really is.
True though, someone who devotes themselves greatly to art is strong passion for it, and that's why their art is always going to turn out better (even if it doesn't LOOK better) due to effort. [/SIZE][/FONT]
In the world right now, art is about looks. If you can't see it, you won't understand it, and therefore it won't be worth anything to you.
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Sarinii wrote on 2010-05-28 08:34
I have mixed opinions about learning 'art'.
I've been in art class for about...4 years now (with a long break in the middle, but i still attend the same art class as i did 5 years ago). My skills and passion for art have increased during this time, and as i grew older i learned to appreciate art and its many forms, more. I am often showered with praise for my artistic and creative ability, but this wouldn't be possible if i hadn't attended art class.
When i say 'art class' i am referring to an art class that caters for 8-20+ year olds. Classes are seperated in age and ability groups, and also seperated by the art forms being taught. (e.g. a class using graphite pencils would be seperated from an class painting with acrylic). It's actually quite a small art class, there are 3 rooms and 3 classes. I am taught by the 'head teacher' (The guy who founded the art class) and younger students are taught by qualified student teachers who have been taught under the head teacher. Class usually starts with continuing with what we did the week before, or with the head teacher demonstrating and explaining why and how something (new, that we haven't started yet) should be drawn the way he does. There aren't any writing/essay exercises, but we're meant to keep a mental note of what the teacher says. We don't do everything according to a set of instructions, we just follow what the teacher says once, and then we set to work by ourselves. The teacher and his assistant will walk around and observe, occasionally correcting somebody.
This is completely different in-school, though. Art Theory is very prominent and we deal with more art forms such as: clay, mixed media and photoshop/digital art (My out-of-school art class only works with traditional styles of painting and drawing.) We get assignments, have long lectures, but we aren't told how to draw or paint something (Of course we are told to draw/make something to specifications, but not told HOW, specifically). Art in my school only intends to broaden the student's theory of art and teach the basics of how to make different art forms. They do not intend to improve the student's ability and skill with art the same way my out-of-school art class does.
People's opinions on art and 'how to learn art' varies greatly...I've had people respond to me in a scandalized way when i say that i attend art class. I've been told that i'm 'cheating' or that i'm not a 'natural talent'. And then i've had people who want to draw the way i do, because they don't see art class as a manipulative system (as someone described before). I personally believe that an 'art class' is a place where someone can improve their ability to express and create what they intended to make in greater detail.
My response doesn't really answer the original question completely, but i thought i should bring up something that is also a slightly controversial question. Really, though, i can't answer the original question as the way someone learns art can differ greatly to the way someone else learns it. Also, when you say 'learn art' it could refer to learning practical art in either painting, dancing, singing, acting or the many more forms out there. Or then it could be referring to learning art theory which also has many forms and sub-headings. So i can't honestly have a definite answer.
/endofessay
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Iyasenu wrote on 2010-05-28 22:35
i wish becoming better at art was more fun for me :S
i do want to draw things like i envision them but whenever i try, the end result is always so far from what i thought that i get discouraged from ever doing it again xD
i'll stick to doodles, and maybe i'll try not sucking at those too xD
but i do admire the work of people who are skilled in arts :o