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BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2011-06-25 19:54
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If you want an example of a country that largely uses biofuel,
Brazil produces most of its energy from sugar cane
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Akemii wrote on 2011-06-25 20:12
Brazil!!
If it saves nature, then it's the way to go.
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paladin wrote on 2011-06-25 20:23
Not right now atleast
No current techongly would be able to supply us fully on a biofuel network without making something eles suffer
One example is hitting our food supply and converting part of it to our fuel supply
Food prices go up, people are not happy
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Sumpfkraut wrote on 2011-06-25 20:28
Quote from Homura;489785:
Brazil!!
If it saves nature, then it's the way to go.
It doesn't. See where those fields are creeping up to?
[Image: http://p4.focus.de/img/gen/i/d/HBidAZZl_Pxgen_r_1100xA.jpg]
Wanna see what happens with rainforest that stands in the way of acres?
[Image: http://www.regenwald-peru.de/Images/Brandrodung1.JPG]
Now put 1 and 1 together. Biofuel is a horrible idea, the rainforests are being destroyed at a fast enough rate as it is.
It's one big fat scam. There's nothing eco-friendly about it. Only because something is made from something that has been biomass before it's been refined doesn't mean it benefits the ecosystem. Oil was once biomass too.
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2011-06-25 20:30
Absolutely not.
Biofuel also raise the price of food in general because more of the crop is going to fuel instead of the food industry. Also, biofuel is really inefficient in terms of energy produced and cost.
Right now, a small amount of the fuel is supplemented with biofuel, but the technology right now is unable to go any further
I think someone above mentioned those points already though.
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Sumpfkraut wrote on 2011-06-25 20:38
Yeah, paladin did.
[s]Americans[/s]Industry nations should generally just decrease their mobility or focus more on public transit. Or better yet a mix of both.
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TA wrote on 2011-06-25 20:39
No because it increases the price of groceries like crazy. We'd use wheat and corn and the prices of those products would sky rocket.
I'm hopeful for electric car technology like Tesla's 2015 car, the BlueStar, that should be within average American middle class price budget - under $30,000. Till then, it won't really see widespread adoption.
But with the price of oil, if it stays the same or increases, I think that those cars will be looking mighty good by the time they roll out.
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Sumpfkraut wrote on 2011-06-25 20:46
Or that one from DBM Energy which for all practical purposes seems to be market-ready (
they've now done independent tests, which seem to confirm its quality).
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Yoorah wrote on 2011-06-25 20:49
Saying that Brazil produces most of its energy from sugar cane is absolutely false. While Brazil is the world's 2nd largest producer of this biofuel, it makes up a small fraction of the country's total energy consumption. And even then, you need to use up massive amounts of arable land to grow that crap, which could have been used to grow food instead. Brazil powered by oil, natural gas, coal, hydroelectric and some nuclear.
They have cars running on ethanol, but the performance is terrible in cold temps.
Biofuels are certainly an interesting topic for research, but I don't think they should be the "focus". :P
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Mama wrote on 2011-06-25 20:59
they should continue to do more research and improve the technology.
They have been making great steps forward.
With present technologies, it's doing much more harm than good. It increases food and fuel prices, and produces very negligible decreases in greenhouse gasses.
Quote from TA;489861:
I'm hopeful for electric car technology like Tesla's 2015 car, the BlueStar, that should be within average American middle class price budget - under $30,000. Till then, it won't really see widespread adoption.
I'm pretty sure Tesla is planning to be anything
but mainstream.
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Osayidan wrote on 2011-06-26 04:06
Combustibles of any kind are outdated crap. People are just grasping at straws because oil prices are rising, which is what will cause problems very soon.People will have all kinds of cars to choose from, electric, biofuels, normal gas, other far out ideas... it'll be a new battle to establish a standard and it won't be pretty.
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Cucurbita wrote on 2011-06-26 04:08
Looking into the technology of it would be wonderful. Theres still so much to be learned from the field.
But my sister did some research on this once and found out its an absolutely horrible idea. Bio to fuel conversion is poor, you don't get nearly as much as you can imagine. Also, the process of producing it releases more co2 and pollutes water than fossile fuels. Takes more energy to make it than it saves.
Also, overplanting crops ruins soil, and it would drive food prices up mad, and farmers would get subsidies for corn only. Complete conversion would completely ruin us.
Natural reusable electric energy is much better.
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Joker wrote on 2011-06-26 04:19
The process to making Biofuel is long and takes allot of work and $$ till the cost of Fuel goes over the cost to make biofuel... or run out of petroleum then we will stick with gas..sadly.. also you guys need to watch nova.. sooo informative.. also they've been working on a fake version of photosynthesis and they can create hydrogen in water its pretty cool it might actually be the future for cars... hydrogen cars... :) but the problem is with the displacement of those atoms..anyways im don't know that much or at least i forgot lol