enchanting?? burning?? training... tips??

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bebepanales wrote on 2010-05-30 08:18

1) ok... so if there are 2 enchants on an item, will there be a lower success rate for burn?? by success i mean getting at least 1 es. so... should i enchant 1 es per item, or 2??

2) what exactly do i need to do to help someone enchant, so we help each other mutually??
A has a lot of enchanted items. A entrusts B to burn using sunlights to save money.
B receives burning training.
B gives all the ES's to A?? so A gets enchanting training??
then A gives the newly enchanted items to B to do everything in reverse??

3) is it recommended that all enchanters up their campfire, even if they only plan on ranking a few low enchant ranks?? and should campfire be ranked to A before ranking any enchant rank?? or simultaneously...?? or after you are a high-ish enchant rank??
Kaon wrote on 2010-05-30 10:22

1. I don't know about success rates or anything like that, but in terms of ranking enchant where you need more burns for xp, the more individual things you can burn is probably more useful. So I would only enchant one ES per item.

2. If A entrusts a burn to B, and it's successful, the enchant is placed in A's inventory, and the powder is placed in B's. So in a situation where A needs enchant xp, and B needs burn xp (if say B is on r8 enchant, and A is a lower/higher rank), then yeah, A would enchant and entrust burn to B again and cycle them.

3. High ranked campfire is most useful at lower ranks of enchant. For rF-r9 enchant, you get a bonus around 10% average. But once you get past say, r5, you only get a 1% bonus for anything above rank B campfire. so if you only plan to be at lower ranks, then definitely rank campfire.
Lamm wrote on 2010-05-30 11:11

I think each enchant has their own chance of being extracted. Like for a Rank 1 Enchanter would have a 75% to extract a Enchant. If there is 2 enchants, the chance to extract both would be (.75)(.75)=.5625 = 56.25% to get both. I don't know if I'm applying my stats correctly (it's like 2 coins flipping at once and the chance of both of them getting a head, lawl I suck at stats). If my guess is right, and you're training enchant burn, it would be better to have 2 enchants on the same item to save herbs and holy water because each burn is individually independent of each other. *Assuming I'm right haha*

Exactly what the above poster said, that would work. If you have a close friend to train enchant with, you can easily be in a party and continuously entrust each other:
In the same party,
A Entrust B to burn.
B burns sucess, + exp to B burn Training
B Entrust to A to Enchant
A pass, +exp to A enchanting.

This can help speed things up without actually exchanging the materials

Campfire is caped at Rank 8. Like the above poster said, it is really helpful at lower levels and become almost useless as you get towards the end number ranks. Wiki has an excellent chart with the Campfire Rank and Burn Success Chance in correlation to your enchant rank. You should check it out if you don't understand what I'm trying to say. Campfire - Mabinogi World Wiki

It's almost a 1:1 ratio of AP to Stamina per rank, so it's not too amazing, but still something.
Justified wrote on 2010-05-30 12:06

Quote from Lamm;49713:
I think each enchant has their own chance of being extracted. Like for a Rank 1 Enchanter would have a 75% to extract a Enchant. If there is 2 enchants, the chance to extract both would be (.75)(.75)=.5625 = 56.25% to get both. I don't know if I'm applying my stats correctly (it's like 2 coins flipping at once and the chance of both of them getting a head, lawl I suck at stats). If my guess is right, and you're training enchant burn, it would be better to have 2 enchants on the same item to save herbs and holy water because each burn is individually independent of each other. *Assuming I'm right haha*

That's correct. The chance to get either enchant is your enchant burn rate, so the chance to get both enchants is (burn rate)^2.
Having two enchants doesn't raise or lower the success of either one, the coin example is a good explanation.

However, if you need enchant burn training, it's better to enchant only one enchant an any item.
This is because burning double enchanted items and getting both enchants will only give the burn training for one enchant. So while you save herbs and holy water, you miss out on experience.

A Entrust B to burn.
B burns sucess, + exp to B burn Training
B Entrust to A to Enchant
A pass, +exp to A enchanting.

B doesn't need to entrust the enchant to A since A will be the one getting the enchant.
But B will need to give powder to A, unless A has a large stock of powders.
bebepanales wrote on 2010-05-30 19:36

does the entrusted burner receive the magic powder then, when it does get extracted??

also i heard that freshly extracted magic powder is better than npc bought elite powder. T/F??
Syrphid wrote on 2010-05-30 19:45

Quote from bebepanales;49982:
does the entrusted burner receive the magic powder then, when it does get extracted??

also i heard that freshly extracted magic powder is better than npc bought elite powder. T/F??

Yes, and no. Elite powder is better than mundane powder that you get from burning.
Kaon wrote on 2010-05-30 21:19

Quote from Syrphid;49997:
Yes, and no. Elite powder is better than mundane powder that you get from burning.

It has a better success rate, but for the low rank enchants used commonly for enchant training, the success rate is the same* and the extracted powder is free.

So basically, use extracted powder for training and elite powder for anything important.

*The same if you have 200 int >.>
Archibald wrote on 2010-05-31 00:47

For how enchant works use this guide

How enchant works

For how to rank it use my guide located in my siggy.
bebepanales wrote on 2010-05-31 01:31

Quote from Kaon;50138:
It has a better success rate, but for the low rank enchants used commonly for enchant training, the success rate is the same* and the extracted powder is free.

So basically, use extracted powder for training and elite powder for anything important.

*The same if you have 200 int >.>

so you're saying that as long as i have int 200, it doesnt matter if i use elite or the extracted powder?? as long as the ES's are like rank F-A??

@Archi ty im looking at it now.
Intex wrote on 2010-05-31 02:01

Rank F-C, powder doesn't matter.

Rank B is 82%->85%
Rank A is 75%->77%

Then the ranks onwards also gain bonuses.