Some bow questions

• Yanm wrote on 2010-05-30 23:04
  It seems I have a lot of questions lately....>.>. Hope you guys can continue to deal with me :D
  So currently, I own 2 bows (used to be 3 until I realized I lost my upgraded Long Bow): A Red Crossbow with the 190 path that keeps range, and a Elven Long Bow upgraded for max damage and max range, which is my PvP and Rabbie arena bow. Now I feel as though archers should have 3 kinds of bows: One for crit, another for range, and one for damage. I used to enjoy using my Long Bow (trans only, don't got the dex for it...YET) until I lost it. I have a 14 dur one on my right now that imma prof Thursday, but Im starting to consider a Ring Bow. It has higher max damage, plus the 2 hit knockback, but the Long Bow has a LOT more crit and more range by 200. Should I upgrade my +4 Long Bow, or get a Ring Bow and upgraded it for highest max damage?
• Cide wrote on 2010-05-30 23:15

  Quote from Yanm;50226:

  It seems I have a lot of questions lately....>.>. Hope you guys can continue to deal with me :D
  So currently, I own 2 bows (used to be 3 until I realized I lost my upgraded Long Bow): A Red Crossbow with the 190 path that keeps range, and a Elven Long Bow upgraded for max damage and max range, which is my PvP and Rabbie arena bow. Now I feel as though archers should have 3 kinds of bows: One for crit, another for range, and one for damage. I used to enjoy using my Long Bow (trans only, don't got the dex for it...YET) until I lost it. I have a 14 dur one on my right now that imma prof Thursday, but Im starting to consider a Ring Bow. It has higher max damage, plus the 2 hit knockback, but the Long Bow has a LOT more crit and more range by 200. Should I upgrade my +4 Long Bow, or get a Ring Bow and upgraded it for highest max damage?

  
  
  long bow if you've got the dex to handle the low bal of the 153 path, definitely. it outclasses the llb as an all-around bow by far once you've got the dex to properly use one. (i have an 18dura rd drop one with 153 path and +4 crit gem upgrade, it is amazing and i love it.)
  
  if not, ring bow works alright too but you're definitely going to want to stiff or lizard it to at least make up for its pitiful crit the 230 path provides unless you have a LOT of luck and will to make up for it.
  
  or if you're considering a longbow but don't have the bal for damage, why not the 190 path llb? 1 less max and .. a lot less crit but much more crit than the ring bow, with a lot more balance.
• Yanm wrote on 2010-05-30 23:34

  Quote from Cide;50233:

  long bow if you've got the dex to handle the low bal of the 153 path, definitely. it outclasses the llb as an all-around bow by far once you've got the dex to properly use one. (i have an 18dura rd drop one with 153 path and +4 crit gem upgrade, it is amazing and i love it.)
  
  if not, ring bow works alright too but you're definitely going to want to stiff or lizard it to at least make up for its pitiful crit the 230 path provides unless you have a LOT of luck and will to make up for it.
  
  or if you're considering a longbow but don't have the bal for damage, why not the 190 path llb? 1 less max and .. a lot less crit but much more crit than the ring bow, with a lot more balance.

  
  
  I don't like llbs that much so it's out of the question. As for the Ring Bow, well, I don't see a need for Lizard/Stiff on it, cause it's only gonna be just a max damage bow, not for crit at all. When I wanna crit, I'll just use my Xbow :D. I'll have the dex for the Long Bow eventually, but I'm plannin ahead for the future and mainly, the Long Bow was kinda my max damage weapon, but I was curious to see if I should just go with a Ring Bow instead.
• Rebel wrote on 2010-05-30 23:39
  So your ELB was for damage and range, your xbow is for... crit?
  What purpose was your long bow for?
  If you are going multipurpose I suggest you take this upgrade path
  

  [Image: http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm46/adrianopsu/mabinogi_2010_05_30_012.jpg]

  
  
  which slightly differs from the one on wiki.
  In the end you end up with 2 less max damage, but 6 more crit, and since your long bow is 14 dur that means it has the same stats as this one. you'll end up with 40 max, and 46% crit.
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-05-30 23:53

  Quote from Adori;50245:

  So your ELB was for damage and range, your xbow is for... crit?
  What purpose was your long bow for?
  If you are going multipurpose I suggest you take this upgrade path
  

  [Image: http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm46/adrianopsu/mabinogi_2010_05_30_012.jpg]

  
  
  which slightly differs from the one on wiki.
  In the end you end up with 2 less max damage, but 6 more crit, and since your long bow is 14 dur that means it has the same stats as this one. you'll end up with 40 max, and 46% crit.

  
  
  So what was the path for that one? o. o
• Cide wrote on 2010-05-30 23:55

  Quote from Adori;50245:

  So your ELB was for damage and range, your xbow is for... crit?
  What purpose was your long bow for?
  If you are going multipurpose I suggest you take this upgrade path
  

  [Image: http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm46/adrianopsu/mabinogi_2010_05_30_012.jpg]

  
  
  which slightly differs from the one on wiki.
  In the end you end up with 2 less max damage, but 6 more crit, and since your long bow is 14 dur that means it has the same stats as this one. you'll end up with 40 max, and 46% crit.

  
  
  reveal your upgrade path to me o ^o
• Yanm wrote on 2010-05-31 00:07

  Quote from Adori;50245:

  So your ELB was for damage and range, your xbow is for... crit?
  What purpose was your long bow for?
  If you are going multipurpose I suggest you take this upgrade path
  

  [Image: http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm46/adrianopsu/mabinogi_2010_05_30_012.jpg]

  
  
  which slightly differs from the one on wiki.
  In the end you end up with 2 less max damage, but 6 more crit, and since your long bow is 14 dur that means it has the same stats as this one. you'll end up with 40 max, and 46% crit.

  
  
  Well, I meant the Elven Long Bow is upgraded for highest max range, and that has 2 paths: One with more crit, and the other with more damage. I chose the higher damage cause this bow is for PvP, and crit doesn't matter in PvP. It's only for that reason. The Crossbow was for critical, as it's the 190 path, highest crit, that also keeps its 1500 range. The Long Bow was a high max damage bow, which is why I wanted to know should I get the Ring Bow for the higher damage, or get a Long Bow and keep the crit with it.
• Cide wrote on 2010-05-31 00:33

  Quote from Yanm;50270:

  Well, I meant the Elven Long Bow is upgraded for highest max range, and that has 2 paths: One with more crit, and the other with more damage. I chose the higher damage cause this bow is for PvP, and crit doesn't matter in PvP. It's only for that reason. The Crossbow was for critical, as it's the 190 path, highest crit, that also keeps its 1500 range. The Long Bow was a high max damage bow, which is why I wanted to know should I get the Ring Bow for the higher damage, or get a Long Bow and keep the crit with it.

  
  
  do you even have a balanced bow??
• Yanm wrote on 2010-05-31 00:53

  Quote from Cide;50368:

  do you even have a balanced bow??

  
  
  Not really. If I did go with the Long Bow, it'd be the balanced bow. I'm not really gonna have a balanced bow because there are other bows taht can do say a balanced bows purpose in some areas better
• Cide wrote on 2010-05-31 01:04

  Quote from Yanm;50462:

  Not really. If I did go with the Long Bow, it'd be the balanced bow. I'm not really gonna have a balanced bow because there are other bows taht can do say a balanced bows purpose in some areas better

  
  
  yeah, well, your aggro's not just goan go HEY HOLD UP SHE'S CHANGING BOWS in the middle of a fight and you realize you want a different bow o'__o'
  
  ..and why, exactly, don't you like llbs? o__O
• Kaon wrote on 2010-05-31 01:10

  Quote from Yanm;50462:

  Not really. If I did go with the Long Bow, it'd be the balanced bow. I'm not really gonna have a balanced bow because there are other bows taht can do say a balanced bows purpose in some areas better

  
  
  The whole point of a balanced bow is to be able to address multiple situations without having to switch to a specialized one. And in most situations, you wouldn't want to sacrifice the strengths of a balanced one for the specialized stat.
  
  High damage and crit beats out the usefulness of having only one, even if its a little less. Cause say, if you focus on crit, and sacrifice damage, even if you srit all the time, you'll end up doing less damage cause they'll be weaker crits.
  
  I myself have balanced bows, damage bows, and crit bows, and 95% of the time I'm using the balanced bow (long bow), and then the other 5% I use the damage bow (spike ring)... but that's pretty much only peaca.
• Yanm wrote on 2010-05-31 01:12

  Quote from Cide;50552:

  yeah, well, your aggro's not just goan go HEY HOLD UP SHE'S CHANGING BOWS in the middle of a fight and you realize you want a different bow o'__o'
  
  ..and why, exactly, don't you like llbs? o__O

  
  
  Lol. I'm not gonna be changing bows in a fight. I tend to look up my info a lot and know what I'm fighting. I won't be changing bows in abttle, depending on what dungeon/sm I'm doing and what difficulty, I won't just go, hmmmmmm I should change my bow or somethin. Some exceptions might be bosses where I'd prefer longer range, such as Ciar Adv Boss. And as for LLBs, well, It just seems to me that other bows are better than llbs. Long Bows outclass them easily, elven long can have more crit and similar range, wing bow has way more crit and similar range, ring bow has more max damage, elven short bows have similar damage and crit to a long bow, Crossbows let ya run, along with havin higher crit, etc.
• Yanm wrote on 2010-05-31 01:22

  Quote from Kaon;50578:

  The whole point of a balanced bow is to be able to address multiple situations without having to switch to a specialized one. And in most situations, you wouldn't want to sacrifice the strengths of a balanced one for the specialized stat.
  
  High damage and crit beats out the usefulness of having only one, even if its a little less. Cause say, if you focus on crit, and sacrifice damage, even if you srit all the time, you'll end up doing less damage cause they'll be weaker crits.
  
  I myself have balanced bows, damage bows, and crit bows, and 95% of the time I'm using the balanced bow (long bow), and then the other 5% I use the damage bow (spike ring)... but that's pretty much only peaca.

  
  
  mmmm.....You do have a point with that. Plus I already got my 14 dur Long Bow...mmmmmmm...I guess in that case I'll use the Long Bow. I considered the Ring Bow because after enchants, it can be as strong as a Broadsword/Battle Sword and that's a lot of damage xD
• Kaon wrote on 2010-05-31 01:26

  Quote from Yanm;50639:

  mmmm.....You do have a point with that. Plus I already got my 14 dur Long Bow...mmmmmmm...I guess in that case I'll use the Long Bow. I considered the Ring Bow because after enchants, it can be as strong as a Broadsword/Battle Sword and that's a lot of damage xD

  
  
  Oh it is. And there's no reason you can't have one of those too.. but, when it comes down to it, nearly all the time I'm grabbing that long bow lol.
• Omarukun wrote on 2010-05-31 01:35
  I got the upgrade sequence he used xD;
  
  Tell me if you are interested