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ThatNerd wrote on 2011-07-10 05:51
Quote from Alexane;506147:
would the speed be worth the power drop?
ATT +7054 Balance +60 Critical +35 STR +78 WIL +47
ATT +6302 Balance +60 Critical +42 Attack Speed +9 STR +78 AGI +18 WIL +47
its a 700 point power drop T.T
i guess i would be leaning towards the speed just to make solo things easier.
*edit* after testing it a bit orchid seems to be the best for soloing or getting decent dps while holding my defense.
Black hammer vs. Chiulin right?
Can't really fit much more smashes with 6 more atk speed from chiulin.
&You won't crit that much since bosses have a lot of crit resistance (Ex. Weeping)
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Alexane wrote on 2011-07-10 07:28
Quote from ThatNerd;506561:
Black hammer vs. Chiulin right?
Can't really fit much more smashes with 6 more atk speed from chiulin.
&You won't crit that much since bosses have a lot of crit resistance (Ex. Weeping)
Yeah and
its +9 speed not +6 o.o and from what earlier posts said the tiny speed increase can make all the difference, so still leaning towards the chiulin
and yes, when he attacks then rests for a tiny bit, that state is usually not long enough for me to get any damage on him.
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ThatNerd wrote on 2011-07-10 09:06
+3 and +9 is a 6 atk speed difference :P
Sure it could speed up a smash, allowing you to block faster, but it doesn't really matter too much with +10 weapons.
This should be relevant
http://vindictushq.com/index.php?/topic/9769-black-hammer-vs-chiulin-graphs/
BH has a better constant damage, while Chiulin can be more jumpy/
You gotta be critting a bunch to outdamage black hammer, that's how i see it
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Alexane wrote on 2011-07-10 09:15
Quote from ThatNerd;506677:
+3 and +9 is a 6 atk speed difference :P
Sure it could speed up a smash, allowing you to block faster, but it doesn't really matter too much with +10 weapons.
This should be relevant
http://vindictushq.com/index.php?/topic/9769-black-hammer-vs-chiulin-graphs/
BH has a better constant damage, while Chiulin can be more jumpy/
You gotta be critting a bunch to outdamage black hammer, that's how i see it
Not exactly sure where you are getting 3+ speed from since the stats show nothing about speed+
but that does help, black hammer is better i guess .-.
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ThatNerd wrote on 2011-07-10 13:49
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Alexane wrote on 2011-07-10 17:28
Quote from ThatNerd;506768:
http://vindictusdb.com/item?i=Black+Hammer
Wiki info is wrong
Ahh x3 ok.
and again, everyone died but 1 level 65 sword fiona on klaus the sword fiona soloed the rest of him .-. roughly 25%
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Andy-Buddy wrote on 2011-07-10 23:33
Factoring in price, Chiulin long hammers go for about 5mil, which is pretty cheap. Black Hammers are never on the Marketplace.
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Alexane wrote on 2011-07-10 23:36
Quote from Andy-Buddy;507258:
Factoring in price, Chiulin long hammers go for about 5mil, which is pretty cheap. Black Hammers are never on the Marketplace.
hmm, what about for grinding, how much worse is BH than chiulin
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Andy-Buddy wrote on 2011-07-10 23:38
Quote from Alexane;507261:
hmm, what about for grinding, how much worse is BH than chiulin
BH is at least 2x as much, assuming for the extremely hard drops you farm money instead.
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Alexane wrote on 2011-07-10 23:41
Quote from Andy-Buddy;507264:
BH is at least 2x as much, assuming for the extremely hard drops you farm money instead.
hmm.....chiulin is looking a lot better
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Yanm wrote on 2011-07-11 00:52
Quote from Andy-Buddy;507264:
BH is at least 2x as much, assuming for the extremely hard drops you farm money instead.
It's worse? I'd think that Chiulin is worse, because of those Bloody Thorns...
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Alexane wrote on 2011-07-11 01:02
Quote from Yanm;507354:
It's worse? I'd think that Chiulin is worse, because of those Bloody Thorns...
bloody thorns are hard to get?
guyssssssss im upgrading to this
ATT +6095 Balance +60 Critical +41 STR +62 AGI +15 WIL +32
Prompush Gun Barrel Hammer
it costs like 400k to make (already bought everything) and will kill the need to upgrade my hammer right away to the really expensive 2, and i can start working on better shields since i have my shining will set and this hammer, at 0 upgrade its 300 more damage than my ivory....and lets me sell my ivory for 1.5m to help pay for the shield *drools*
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Andy-Buddy wrote on 2011-07-11 08:45
Quote from Yanm;507354:
It's worse? I'd think that Chiulin is worse, because of those Bloody Thorns...
But you can farm cash pretty easily. I'm assuming you'd find one or two, and 200k-400k each isn't too horrible on an endgame weapon.
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Invertex wrote on 2011-07-12 11:39
Of course you might want to note any "endgame" hammer will likely require NX and a few hammers.
Reason being that Ornate is just THAT good for Hammers, so you will always have to risk the r9 enchant. After that you'll probably want enhancement runes to +10 the hammer. Then of course there's Valor to finish the weapon.
All and all, you need to consider "endgame" is going to cost you a ton either way. It's up to you if you want to go min/max or just for the easier way out.
Also, you're probably getting most of this experience from random parties. I still maintain that it's completely worthless to take what you observe to heart. I can usually hit anywhere from 5-25% damage on Titan/Thor, all that based off the quality of my party.
(That and Klaus is "easy" for Fiona to solo. Very predictable and all his moves are well telegraphed (is that the right word?))
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Halfslashed wrote on 2011-07-13 18:33
Another tip from my fiona friend that I picked up.
If you're a sword fiona, you can solo basically anything due to your quick blocking responses. If you're a hammer fiona, you're better off doing things with parties due to having it harder to deal high amounts of DPS when the boss is focused on you(Grand Slam Calla/Orchid Strike isn't what i mean by high).