Spear Lann Tweak Ideas

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Hushield wrote on 2011-07-16 05:50

I was just thinking of some things to help out Spear Lann a bit. Although I feel that all Lanns are completely viable, as long as they possess the skill to play their role, Spear Lann feels too difficult to me, compared to other classes (this is my opinion, if your's differs, so be it).

My first idea is a base attack speed increase. Lann's fully geared, enchanted and enhanced attack speed stays the same by modifications of item stats, but either fury infusion grants attack speed or spears have innate attack speed. This is to help out the survivability of spear lanns who are just bringing their way into the current content and lack any enhancement, enchants or good items.

My second suggestion is, admittedly, very unbalanced. I propose that fury infusion's rank 8-6 increase ATT and Crit very slightly, but also reduce heath consumption by a large amount, up to 100% at rank 6. This would mean Fury infusion will be free of health cost at rank 6. I have no idea how this would impact Spear Lann, but it is to be considered for discussion.

The most common proposition is a learnable skill for Spear Lann's dodge roll, increasing range, reducing stamina cost, etc. This seems the most viable solution to me, but seems fairly plain and does not protect Lann with invulnerability frames, but I suppose that is the whole theme of spear lann anyway.

My final suggestion is that Spear lann's furies ignore collision with enemies, like scythe evie blinks. This would allow lann to glide through bosses if stuck in a corner, or just give lann the ability to take more advantage of small opportunities.

Constructive criticism is welcomed. Please ignore all prejudice and only respond to intelligent replies. If you disagree, please say why and state a solution.
BlackGod wrote on 2011-07-16 06:27

From the opinions of a level 48 hybrid Lann who mains a much higher leveled hybrid Fiona:
1. Base attack speed increase seems out of the question in my opinion; spear lann is already insanely powerful as it is, no need to make it stronger, faster, or more flexible in terms of offenses. It's the perfect class offensively.

2. Fury infusion being cost free is like... No, no no. Maybe there should be a limit to how much health fury infusion should hit depending on the rank of it, but the idea of a cost free infusion screams OP beyond OP. Perhaps at rank 9, fury infusion stops taking health away at say, 15% or so? Increases the limit of fury infusion take off by 2% every rank, with bonuses at rank 9 and rank 6? That might increase Spear Lann survivability quite a bit.

3. I completely agree with you on upgrading dodge roll. However, I don't think it should be improved just like that; I think Spear Lann should get a seperate skill for dodge roll, which at rank 6 will cost around 15 stamina and its distance increases per rank (though in small increments) as well as damage (because spear Lann roll doesn't do much damage anyways, increasing the damage by even 50% at rank 6 won't be ground breaking).

4. No. A Lann's skill is determined by how well they can use and control their gliding fury. I don't believe in shortcuts to learning how to do this, it's the coolest thing Lann, especially Spear Lann, has going for him. As for position, a Lann is supposed to be smart while playing; don't let the opponent corner you in case you can't escape. However, in the case of a glitch where one is stuck in a certain position, I do believe there should be an easy escape, but such a glitch fix should be given to all classes, not just Lanns.

That's all the criticism I have to offer :P I'm thinking in terms of enhancing Spear Lann while not making him broken; my opinion is based on my experience as both a Lann and a Fiona. Good suggestions, nonetheless, as I also believe Spear Lann doesn't need to be revamped, just tweaked.
Hushield wrote on 2011-07-16 23:17

I already addressed the OPness of free infusion, but i figured it would lead trains of thought like the one you had. What you told me was very insightful. I particularly like the idea to make fury infusion not drop him below a certain health threshold. I see what you say for gliding fury and agree now. Perhaps a dodge roll upgrade could increase synergy with sprint smash.
susanexpress1 wrote on 2011-07-19 02:16

Thank you for your idea. I am sure it is useful to me.
sverreerik wrote on 2011-07-23 08:09

I'd rather the Infusion take out MORE HP and give a attack boost.

I don't plan on ever getting hit lol.
Arandroth wrote on 2011-07-23 08:28

Quote from Hushield;514129:
I was just thinking of some things to help out Spear Lann a bit. Although I feel that all Lanns are completely viable, as long as they possess the skill to play their role, Spear Lann feels too difficult to me, compared to other classes (this is my opinion, if your's differs, so be it).

My first idea is a base attack speed increase. Lann's fully geared, enchanted and enhanced attack speed stays the same by modifications of item stats, but either fury infusion grants attack speed or spears have innate attack speed. This is to help out the survivability of spear lanns who are just bringing their way into the current content and lack any enhancement, enchants or good items.

look, honestly, right now the fastest between spears and swords are the swords. and there is a reason. IMO swords must be something (well, more balanced) as they are now. i mean, fast, elusive, and with less damage than swords.
spears, instead, must be the opposite. more damage, less attack speed, and JUST a less elusive, not with a stupid rabbit hop like now...

Quote from Hushield;514129:
My second suggestion is, admittedly, very unbalanced. I propose that fury infusion's rank 8-6 increase ATT and Crit very slightly, but also reduce heath consumption by a large amount, up to 100% at rank 6. This would mean Fury infusion will be free of health cost at rank 6. I have no idea how this would impact Spear Lann, but it is to be considered for discussion.

well, it would be veeeery funny a little more crit and attack with fury infusion. IMO they could also do this: add a skill for a... second fury, which sucks a lot of HP and give A LOT of attack for a considering time, not 14 sec.. Or maybe, what about a bleeding? like, i use this fury, and as long as i use it, my HP will decrease constantly! obviously the attack/attack speed/crit will increase as the HP drop. it's just an idea eh.

Quote from Hushield;514129:
The most common proposition is a learnable skill for Spear Lann's dodge roll, increasing range, reducing stamina cost, etc. This seems the most viable solution to me, but seems fairly plain and does not protect Lann with invulnerability frames, but I suppose that is the whole theme of spear lann anyway.

agree completely.. you know, i would have something like a flying sparrow, the staff evie "dash", without invulnerability frames.

Quote from Hushield;514129:
My final suggestion is that Spear lann's furies ignore collision with enemies, like scythe evie blinks. This would allow lann to glide through bosses if stuck in a corner, or just give lann the ability to take more advantage of small opportunities.

Constructive criticism is welcomed. Please ignore all prejudice and only respond to intelligent replies. If you disagree, please say why and state a solution.

i don't know.. it's like spear lann became a ghost while furying. what about, instead, a 100% resist knockdown of his every smash skills? LR, LLR, LLLR? hurricante as already this improve, why not every other skills?

last question, would you, spear lann, like a sort of basic speed improvement? like a second faster sprint, wich consume more stamina, but is slightly better than the normal sprint.
Oizen wrote on 2011-07-23 08:47

I just want Spear lanns to have an actual dodge.

What we have now is BS.
Invertex wrote on 2011-07-23 11:29

My thoughts that I have no idea how would work.

Gliding Fury could be activated off any hit. A new skill would be implemented so that everytime Lann crits, a very short buff/status (0.5 seconds per rank?) would be applied. If Lann GFs off an attack without the status, it would have a heavy damage penalty (such that it's mostly useless), take a large chunk of stamina (40-50?), and have a slight distance reduction. With the status, you'd use up the buff and it'd be removed, and then you'd do a GF akin to what we have now.
Lightning Fury would only be usable off "critical" GF, and suffer the same penalties as using GF without a critical if the GF itself does not critical.

To my knowledge, Lann can dodge a lot more with the ability to GF at any time. Sword Lanns would get this buff too, but without constant infusion, you'd be unable to keep spamming GF and in return your DPS will be lowered. Spear Lanns would be forced to continue to infusion in order to use this, and thus would be forced to drive their HP down, which seems to fit with high risk high reward idea pretty well.
Eyrion wrote on 2011-07-26 00:04

Quote from Hushield;514129:

My first idea is a base attack speed increase. Lann's fully geared, enchanted and enhanced attack speed stays the same by modifications of item stats, but either fury infusion grants attack speed or spears have innate attack speed. This is to help out the survivability of spear lanns who are just bringing their way into the current content and lack any enhancement, enchants or good items.

I disagree with the "base attack speed increase" part. But Attack Speed increased by Fury Infusion is a good idea.

Quote from Hushield:
My second suggestion is, admittedly, very unbalanced. I propose that fury infusion's rank 8-6 increase ATT and Crit very slightly, but also reduce heath consumption by a large amount, up to 100% at rank 6. This would mean Fury infusion will be free of health cost at rank 6. I have no idea how this would impact Spear Lann, but it is to be considered for discussion.

You might as well make Fury Infusion last an hour. This would be incredibly overpowered. I was thinking more of a very large Attack increase, and Critical Rate increase.

The rest I agree with.