Erm...Death Note

• Taycat wrote on 2011-07-17 19:37
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  It does get better and then it gets funny at the end.
• Time wrote on 2011-07-17 20:08
  The way I look at it, in 5 and a half episodes everything has been predictable, everything, Light and L are both evil psychopaths who dont care about human lives and are willing to kill people, and both of them just want to win...The other characters so far, the fbi and police, have had no character development really and are just there trying to do their jobs...I mean, every character does stuff thats so expected...
  
  But Im not gonna give up...Ill watch a show about 2 psychopaths and hope it gets interesting at some point...
• Rozel wrote on 2011-07-17 20:23

  Quote from Time;515909:

  The way I look at it, in 5 and a half episodes everything has been predictable, everything, Light and L are both evil psychopaths who dont care about human lives and are willing to kill people, and both of them just want to win...The other characters so far, the fbi and police, have had no character development really and are just there trying to do their jobs...I mean, every character does stuff thats so expected...
  
  But Im not gonna give up...Ill watch a show about 2 psychopaths and hope it gets interesting at some point...

  
  
  Lolwut? L is evil and doesn't care about human lives?
  ???????????????
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  On a slightly related note,
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  I'll take a potato chip.... AND EAT IT!
• Time wrote on 2011-07-17 20:46

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  Lolwut? L is evil and doesn't care about human lives?
  ???????????????
  --
  On a slightly related note,
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  I'll take a potato chip.... AND EAT IT!

  
  
  In 5 episodes he caused the death of 13 people.
  
  And just incase you deny that let me ask a follow up question...
  
  Is L supposed to be an amazing detective who realizes things before the police, which is why they turn to him, and is in part, such a great detective because he waits until he has evidence, he doesnt just make conclusions and hunches?
• Moppy wrote on 2011-07-17 20:57

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  In 5 episodes he caused the death of 13 people.
  
  And just incase you deny that let me ask a follow up question...
  
  Is L supposed to be an amazing detective who realizes things before the police, which is why they turn to him, and is in part, such a great detective because he waits until he has evidence, he doesnt just make conclusions and hunches?

  
  
  It's not just realizing things before the police. There is also the fact that he is an amazing strategist. You'll see later on that L can really **** with Light's head. L understands the criminals and predict what they can do next.
• Time wrote on 2011-07-17 21:05

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  It's not just realizing things before the police. There is also the fact that he is an amazing strategist. You'll see later on that L can really **** with Light's head. L understands the criminals and predict what they can do next.

  
  
  So, L made the fbi agents come and investigate the police...After they all die, the next day the police go and talk to L, when they mention that criminals whose names were not released or were misspelled didnt die, he said he knew and that they should be more careful with their names...And yet...He didnt bother to tell the FBI agents to be careful, or did he really just realize this fact when the police did? And if he noticed at the same time the police did, whats the point of him?
• Adelynn wrote on 2011-07-17 21:05
  Well, what I found interesting about the series is that Light starts out with doubts, but then starts doing something that many people may even agree with (aside from certain kills). It goes back to the whole death penalty thing.
  
  Is the justice system doing its job?
  Is it okay to kill these people?
  If someone appeared and started doing the world's dirty work, how would the people feel?
  What do people really believe? Do the say what they believe, or do they say they believe something just because it's the right thing to say?
  Should people feel bad for wanting the death of someone who can cause so much suffering?
  
  Even at the very end of the story, it's not a matter of defining who is right or wrong, but a matter of who ends up winning, and I think it's a good thing to let the audience think about.
  
  I think a paraphrase of something I heard on youtube would help..
  
  Something along the lines of:
  I wish I could be 100% against the death penalty, because wishing death on another human feels horrible, but I can't say that with the current justice system, there is any other proper punishment for certain people that deserve worse than what they get.
  
  Something like that. I'm pretty sure I killed the idea with my lack of organization.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2011-07-17 21:07

  Quote from Time;515940:

  In 5 episodes he caused the death of 13 people.

  
  
  L?
  
  He had ONE person act as bait and got him killed. That person was on death row and was scheduled to die that day anyways.
  
  Other than that I don't think there are any.
• Time wrote on 2011-07-17 21:12

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  L?
  
  He had ONE person act as bait and got him killed. That person was on death row and was scheduled to die that day anyways.
  
  Other than that I don't think there are any.

  
  The fbi agents he didnt warn about the name thing, even though he was the one making them be there in the first place...Just because when the police mentioned names, he acted like it was old news, but he doesnt work on things with just hunches, so because of that, he didnt warn them, but now that they are dead, he had no problem telling the police about it, because he had evidence to reach a conclusion, if you are putting peoples lifes in danger, you tell them if you have a hunch about how they could be killed.
  
  And the death penalty Im not gonna argue about, but the fact is, besides the justice system part, isnt the execution supposed to be "Humane"? Is a heart attack on television anything like what the supposed criminal was supposed to be receiving?
  
  All Im saying is that if Light is the bad guy, L does pretty much the same things to catch him, hes not much better.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2011-07-17 21:18

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  The fbi agents he didnt warn about the name thing, even though he was the one making them be there in the first place...Just because when the police mentioned names, he acted like it was old news, but he doesnt work on things with just hunches, so because of that, he didnt warn them, but now that they are dead, he had no problem telling the police about it, because he had evidence to reach a conclusion, if you are putting peoples lifes in danger, you tell them if you have a hunch about how they could be killed.
  
  And the death penalty Im not gonna argue about, but the fact is, besides the justice system part, isnt the execution supposed to be "Humane" Is a heart attack on television anything like what the supposed criminal was supposed to be receiving?

  
  
  He didn't send the FBI. They were separate from L.
  
  And L didn't expect Light to be able to kill him just like that. Up until the point where the criminal was killed on TV, L didn't have any expectations of supernatural abilities, and only put the possibility of the ability to kill with only a name and a face in the corner of his mind.
  
  And this is just my personal input, but death by heart attack isn't much worse than death by liquid injection or electric chair.
• Time wrote on 2011-07-17 21:19

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  He didn't send the FBI. They were separate from L.
  
  And L didn't expect Light to be able to kill him just like that. Up until the point where the criminal was killed on TV, L didn't have any expectations of supernatural abilities, and only put the possibility of the ability to kill with only a name and a face in the corner of his mind.
  
  And this is just my personal input, but death by heart attack isn't much worse than death by liquid injection or electric chair.

  
  Didnt L make the FBI investigate the police task force?
  
  Im lazy so I took this from wikipedia..
  

  Light creates a plan but is careful not to arouse the suspicion of the tracker, who is really a Federal Agent from the United States named Raye Penber, employed by L and Watari.

• Cucurbita wrote on 2011-07-17 21:23

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  Didnt L make the FBI investigate the police task force?

  
  
  The FBI were sent by Americans to investigate. L is British.
  
  And L's discovery of Light's ability to kill with only a name and a face was broadcasted on television. You'd have to be pretty awful at your job if you're an FBI agent who was sent to Japan to investigate the Kira case, and you completely missed something that became public knowledge.
  
  Raye Penbar was already being cautious, but Light tricked him into giving his name out.
  
  Edit: Since it was common knowledge that Kira could kill with a name at that point, it was incredibly stupid of Raye and Naomi to give their true names out, even if they trusted Light.
• Time wrote on 2011-07-17 21:33

  Quote from Cucurbita;515981:

  The FBI were sent by Americans to investigate. L is British.
  
  And L's discovery of Light's ability to kill with only a name and a face was broadcasted on television. You'd have to be pretty awful at your job if you're an FBI agent who was sent to Japan to investigate the Kira case, and you completely missed something that became public knowledge.

  
  
  Yes...I know the fbi were Americans...And yes, L is British, but L employed them to investigate the police in the beginning...In episode 3 L requests info on how the victims had been publicized, so if hes so amazing a detective, he would have noticed that the names that were released and correct were the victims..In episode 3, L begins to think someone who knows the police is Kira, so he sends the fbi to investigate. In episode 4 Light makes the plan to get the agents name, or as Light knows him just his stalkers name (who is only there because L suspects someone close to the police.) which by this point L should have told him not to give out.Then in episode 5 all 12 FBI agents die, the police task force talks to L and a small group of them begin to work with L. In episode 6 while they meet L one of them mentions the pattern with the criminals name, L says he knew that, but that means they didnt know he knew that, so he hadnt warned them, so, I mean, if the police were just figuring this out, when are you saying the public became aware of the name thing, I might have missed that? .T
  
  
  I mean, it is mentioned so many times that the FBI are investigating Light/the Japanese police due to Ls suspicions that I dont know how you could deny that...
• Cucurbita wrote on 2011-07-17 21:38

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  Yes...I know the fbi were Americans...And yes, L is British, but L employed them to investigate the police in the beginning...In episode 3 L requests info on how the victims had been publicized, so if hes so amazing a detective, he would have noticed that the names that were released and correct were the victims..In episode 3, L begins to think someone who knows the police is Kira, so he sends the fbi to investigate. In episode 4 Light makes the plan to get the agents name, or as Light knows him just his stalkers name (who is only there because L suspects someone close to the police.) which by this point L should have told him not to give out.Then in episode 5 all 12 FBI agents die, the police task force talks to L and a small group of them begin to work with L. In episode 6 while they meet L one of them mentions the pattern with the criminals name, L says he knew that, but that means they didnt know he knew that, so he hadnt warned them.Therefore, he doesnt care about risking peoples lives.
  
  
  I mean, it is mentioned so many times that the FBI are investigating Light/the Japanese police due to Ls suspicions that I dont know how you could deny that...

  
  
  L trusted the FBI's abilities. Maybe you haven't gotten much out of him since he hasn't had much direct showing, but while he really doesn't care about people in general he's got very strong beliefs in his justice and tries his best to make sure no one dies.
  
  Later in the series he even volunteers to get himself killed just to solve the case.
• Time wrote on 2011-07-17 21:47
  Well, as I said Im not giving up, I have an episode loading right now, maybe by the end Ill like it more...just my judgement at the moment.