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It was a generalised statement. It's called argumentum ad populum, and it's considered a fallacy for a good reason. It's just not very revealing. It is, especially as far as complex issues are concerned (I'd call global migration a very complex issue, surely you'd agree), ridiculously unreliable.
Fair enough, agreed.
Quote from Sumpfkraut;519804:
Immigration does one thing as far as economics is concerned, it provides more fodder to the job market. It does (with slight differences I can't be arsed to elaborate) more or less the same as increased birth rates, and that's usually a good thing, economically. It absolutely means more consumers and more workers.
Who gives a sh*t about economic benefits when whites are being outright dispossessed of their own countries? All it does is give the elites an opportunity to lower wages, because labor becomes less valuable. If you actually studied any economics or economic history. You would know that massive immigration especially of unskilled labor (which we now have in almost all western countries) always leads towards lower wages of the local population as well as to a lower standard of living for the locals.
if what you are saying was true, Africa and the middle east would be now booming economically but they don't.
Quote from Sumpfkraut;519804:
Yes, it is. Or at least I do think it's important to make this distinction, because if we don't make sure to identify the exact problems we'll always suffer from them. And the real problem is excessive social friction based on radical political convictions, mostly of the chauvinistic kind. This goes for both sides of the table.
Wait, can you elaborate on this with an example or something? I'm not sure what you're trying to point out here. You mean like communism on the ultra left and extreme right wing neonazis on the ultra right? If you mean that the extremes are bad, then I could agree with that.
Quote from Sumpfkraut;519804:
I didn't prove your point at all. I provided evidence for humans being adaptive, and surely didn't provide evidence of human adaptability varying on genetic grounds.
If you count the Adriatic, most European countries bordering on the Mediterranean don't speak a latin based language. But to give you the benefit of the doubt, yes, those non-muslim, non-black people did adapt there. That however doesn't change the fact that the muslims in our countries in Europe, and the blacks in the USA are
not adapting and are the groups to which most of the crime is attributed to. Do we really want them in our countries?
[SIZE="2"]Also lack of immigration and a population stable or declining leads to a higher standard of living.
Japan and S.Korea are a perfect example of this. Their populations are in a slight decline but no massive immigration exist there.
and both of these counties can be considered much better than most major western counties.[/SIZE]
[SIZE="4"]Here is some food for thought for you:[/SIZE]
We already have genetic explanations for why blacks are more violent than other races.
For example - At one end of the androgen receptor gene, which is alternatively labeled AR or NR3C4, there are varying amounts of the trinucleotide repeats CAG and GGC. Blacks possess less of these CAG repeats.
Fewer CAG repeats causes increased transactivation of the receptor (meaning that the receptor became more activated to increase gene expression), see the research here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8065934
Cortisol responses are another area that highlight racial differences in behavior. a new study by Way and Taylor has found that the short allele of 5-HTTLPR causes increased cortisol responses to a perceived social threat provided by the Trier Social Stress Test.
http://www.journals.elsevierhealth.com/periodicals/bps/article/PIIS0006322309012724/abstract
Also, a new study by Armbruster et al found that the 7R allele of DRD4 causes lower cortisol responses and that this allele interacted with the long allele of 5-HTTLPR to lower cortisol response to social stress.
http://www.citeulike.org/group/6880/article/6445652
Beaver et al determined that African-Americans have significantly more 7R alleles than whites. The possibility that low cortisol levels in African Americans could be partly genetic has important implications for research on the genetics of violence.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1913922/pdf/1744-9081-3-30.pdf
Indeed, in 2008 Rajender et al determined that male control subjects average 21.19 repeats, rapists average 18.44 repeats, murderers average 17.59 repeats, and men who murder after they finish raping average 17.31 repeats.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/50x2125530hku64l/fulltext.pdf?page=1
And to put this data into practise
[SIZE="4"]case one:[/SIZE]
Vietnam (Human development index rank: 116)
Crime rate:
The crime rate in Vietnam is low compared to industrialized countries. An analysis was done using INTERPOL data for Vietnam. For purpose of comparison, data were drawn for the seven offenses used to compute the United States FBI's index of crime. Index offenses include murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny, and motor vehicle theft. The combined total of these offenses constitutes the Index used for trend calculation purposes. Vietnam will be compared with Japan (country with a low crime rate) and USA (country with a high crime rate). According to the INTERPOL data, for murder, the rate in 2000 was 1.08 per 100,000 population for Vietnam, 1.10 for Japan, and 5.51 for USA. For rape, the rate in 2000 was 1.64 for Vietnam, compared with 1.78 for Japan and 32.05 for USA. For robbery, the rate in 2000 was 1.48 for Vietnam, 4.08 for Japan, and 144.92 for USA.
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http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/rwinslow…ic/vietnam.html
[SIZE="4"]case two:[/SIZE]
South Africa(human development index rank:114)
Crime rate
Today, the crime rate in South Africa is high, even when compared to more industrialized countries. For purpose of comparison, data were drawn for the seven offenses used to compute the United States FBI's index of crime. Index offenses include murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny, and motor vehicle theft. According to the United Nations Seventh Annual Survey on Crime, crime recorded in police statistics shows the crime rate for the combined total of all Index crimes in South Africa to be 3742.92, per 100,000 inhabitants in 2000. This compares with 1951.92 for Japan (country with a low crime rate) and 4123.97 for USA (country with high crime rate). For intentional homicides ("murder" in UCR), the rate in 2000 was 51.39 for South Africa, 0.50 for Japan, and 5.51 for USA. For major assaults ("aggravated assaults" in UCR), the rate in 2000 was 664.68 for South Africa, compared with 34.04 for Japan, and 323.62 for USA. (Note these data for Japan are for total recorded assaults, since Japan did not report a figure for major assaults.) For rapes ("forcible rape" in UCR), the rate in 2000 was 123.85 for South Africa, 1.78 for Japan, and 32.05 for USA. For robberies, the rate in 2000 was 460.37 for South Africa, 4.07 for Japan, and 144.92 for USA. For automobile theft, the rate in 2000 was 233.56 for South Africa, 243.81 for Japan, and 414.17 for USA. The rate of burglaries for 2000 was 921.86 for South Africa, 233.45 for Japan, and 414.17 for USA. The rate for thefts ("larceny" in UCR) in 2000 was 1287.21 for South Africa, compared with 1434.27 for Japan and 2475.27 for USA. (Note that USA data were those reported to INTERPOL for year 2000, since USA has not yet reported this data to UN.)
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http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/rwinslow/africa/south_africa.html
Now whether these variations in crime statistics are due to race or culture is irrelevant for the purpose of our discussion here. However we can determine that "social class" or poverty are not the main or only reason for criminal behavior.