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TA wrote on 2011-07-28 16:26
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Friday’s twin attacks in Norway that killed 76 people have sparked growing outcry at the country’s penal code, under which even the man now accused in the mass killings would face a maximum penalty of only 21 years in prison if convicted.
If found guilty in the massacre and given that maximum sentence, Anders Behrin Breivik, 32, would serve roughly 100 days in prison per killing.
“So many innocent people have been killed that I think he doesn’t have the right to live,†Mari Kaugerud wrote on her Facebook group “Yes to the death penalty for Anders Behring Breivik,†which already has 1,783 members, the AFP reports.
Dozens of similar groups have sprung up since Friday’s killings, some calling for the death penalty, others for life in prison.
“People like that shouldn’t be able to get out among normal people,†a 31-year-old Iranian-born shopkeeper identified only as Mustafa told AFP. “If he gets 21 years, how old will he be? 53! No, he’s ruined too much to ever get out.â€
Breivik is accused of the initial bombing in the capital of Oslo, as well as the subsequent shooting rampage at a Labor Party youth camp on an island outside the city. He is said to be an anti-Muslim extremist who left a online manifesto before carrying out the attacks.
The court ordered him held for eight weeks while prosecutors investigate, four of which will be in isolation, saying Breivik could tamper with evidence if released…
Source:
http://frstephensmuts.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/anders-behring-breivik-facing-a-21-year-sentence-only/
Fox:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/25/calls-reportedly-grow-in-norway-to-extend-maximum-penalty-after-twin-attacks/#ixzz1TDn6QomJ
Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/26/norway-attacks-anders-behring-breivik
Since Phunkie brought it up in his multiculturalism thread, I figured I should actually post it, since it'd detract from the point of his thread.
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Spike wrote on 2011-07-28 16:41
I hope it's 21 years minimum for his killing, and another 21 years minimum for his bombing if they judge it as two separate incidents. So I hope he'll be in jail for at least 42 years.
Still, there's something seriously flawed with that justice system if you can get free after two thirds of 42 years (or in the worst case, 21 years) for killing 68 people.
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TA wrote on 2011-07-28 16:59
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Spike wrote on 2011-07-28 17:11
Quote from TA;529928:
The fact that prisons in Norway are practically ski resorts bothers me too... :mad:
edit: Here..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8661444/Norway-killer-could-be-held-in-luxury-prison.html
edit: Oh, better... here's a gallery: http://alexmasi.photoshelter.com/gallery/Halden-Prison-Luxury-detention-in-Norway/G0000.pWT7uxO5qE
omg.
Statistics say that prison system works better, as in, that less ex-convicts fall back into criminality than for example in a 'tougher'/'rougher' prison system. Despite that I'm not really a fan of it either.
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TA wrote on 2011-07-28 17:12
Thinking about it though..... the experience might be very rehabilitating for some criminals.
Though... mass murderers and the like... I really don't think they belong in such prisons.
Maybe non-violent criminals like hackers or tax evaders or something should go there.
edit: I do think I really see the benefit of these kinds of prison systems with positive atmospheres and overall good experiences.
I can see how it could really help, after looking through all the pictures.
I mean, at first it made me really angry that people committing crimes would be treated so well, but... the real point of prison is to rehabilitate people, not just punish them. So, I guess it's helpful for that.
I suppose we just have more of a focus in society on punishing people and not caring what happens to them after that, but this uses more of an ideology to actually re-introduce these people back into society as fucntional citizens that won't fall down the same path again.
Seems very... ahead of its time, I'll say that.
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Claudia wrote on 2011-07-28 17:48
Shame that Norway doesn't have the death penalty, or that they're not considering a life sentence.
But again...doesn't look like life in prison in Norway would be that bad, compared to almost anywhere else.
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Lan wrote on 2011-07-28 18:46
Well when he gets out he's probably going to be beaten to death :3
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2011-07-28 19:13
Quote from Lan;530006:
Well when he gets out he's probably going to be beaten to death :3
This.
He isn't going to have a normal life when he does get out.
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Cynic wrote on 2011-07-28 22:47
What Lan and Endless said.
The nice thing about people like this is there is always going to be someone willing to go the extra mile to put a stop to them when their law system fails.
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Sumpfkraut wrote on 2011-07-28 22:55
ITT: civilisation envy.
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Applefish wrote on 2011-07-29 00:40
[font="Tahoma"]Norway is the country I'd least suspect to have death penalties. The question of whether one deserves death or not is a controversial one, but as people have said time and time again, "No one deserves to die." Holding grudges against a criminal or wishing death upon one does NOT make you the better man.[/font]
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Claudia wrote on 2011-07-29 02:55
Quote from Applefish;530310:
[font="Tahoma"]Norway is the country I'd least suspect to have death penalties. The question of whether one deserves death or not is a controversial one, but as people have said time and time again, "No one deserves to die." Holding grudges against a criminal or wishing death upon one does NOT make you the better man.[/font]
Scandinavian countries seem to be more welfare-oriented [Sweden] and like to maintain peace.
After all, most of those countries remained neutral even during WWII and haven't been very involved in recent military conflicts.
If you want somewhere peaceful to live, Norway is definitely a good choice.
Although I commend them for their lack of extreme capital punishment, it kind of makes my insides burn when I see inmates are living in better conditions than I am, and I haven't committed any crimes...