Circumstances in which animals get bred to become our food

• Spike wrote on 2011-08-01 18:33
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  just days after hatching, chickens are throw into conveyor belts in factories, tossed around by inspectors, have their beaks melted off and are crammed into dark cages with airborne faecal matter and so little space they will never be able to spread their wings again, where they will spend the rest of their life laying eggs. the males are thrown into grinders still alive.

  
  
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  I can never understand people who care so greatly about the way their meat gets on their plates.
  
  I just can't bring myself to give even two sh*ts about some chicken not being treated well. I've got bigger problems than that to wrestle with and if it means I can eat delicious meat cheaper then I'm all for it.
  
  Chickens aren't self-aware. To be more precise, they're not conscious of their actions. They can't think why they do stuff, their behaviour is dictated by very specific goals defined by instincts. Chickens don't ache because their girlfriends left them, they ache because you chopped their head off. Likewise "happiness" in chickens is there to reward them for surviving. For a chicken being "happy" is having a full stomach.
  
  Do you care about the circumstances in which animals get bred to become our food?
• Phunkie wrote on 2011-08-01 18:38
  If I cared, I wouldn't be eating the food, IMO.
  
  I personally just don't like to think about it. I recall one time watching my grandmother kill this duck that she was gonna cook and I was so horrified that I couldn't eat it, haha. I was young though.
  
  Granted, if I don't watch the animal die, I'm all down for a delicious meal.
  
  It's just sympathy, I guess.
• Cynic wrote on 2011-08-01 18:49
  I do, but there isn't much we can do about it besides trying to find places that sell animal products that haven't gone through this disgusting treatment. Humans are too selfish to actually make some progress toward treating animals in a humane way since more food > the same amount of food but from treating the animal decently.
  
  Personally I'd prefer to round every person up who does this and give them the same treatment (if not worse), but that's just wishful thinking; there are far too many people who do it. Iunno if I could gather them all up in time.. Orz
• Spike wrote on 2011-08-01 18:56

  Quote from Cynic;534121:

  I do, but there isn't much we can do about it besides trying to find places that sell animal products that haven't gone through this disgusting treatment. Humans are too selfish to actually make some progress toward treating animals in a humane way since more food > the same amount of food but from treating the animal decently.
  
  Personally I'd prefer to round every person up who does this and give them the same treatment (if not worse), but that's just wishful thinking; there are far too many people who do it. Iunno if I could gather them all up in time.. Orz

  How are you better than those 'evildoers' then?
  
  You want to torture people for producing food for the general populace.
• Crimmy wrote on 2011-08-01 19:22
  It's no different from taking a few months old baby and burning the tips of its fingers off. A chicken's beak is extremely sensitive, if not more so than our own fingertips. If the chickens weren't treated like **** and kept under improper conditions then there would be no need to burn their beaks off. They peck and fight because they're under a lot of stress. That's to be expected considering they live in a very small box-sized space all their life and aren't even able to stretch their legs out.
  
  I own 18 chickens currently and had a batch of about 25 a few years ago. I have a pen for them but they are mostly free range and like to keep around the yard. They are extremely healthy and only peck to establish pecking orders.
  
  They give us healthy food for such low maintenance. Why do we treat them like ****? Dogs don't do anything but give us some companionship. Why don't we start gathering up the strays and eat those if you only care about cheap food?
  
  It's called empathy and it's part of being human.
• TA wrote on 2011-08-01 19:26
  I don't like to see it or hear about it, but I don't really care when I get right down to it.
  
  Sure, if I watch it then it really bothers me. But, out of sight, out of mind.
  
  I like eating animals, this is how we mass produce them.
• Excalibuurr wrote on 2011-08-01 19:41

  Quote from Crimmy;534154:

  It's no different from taking a few months old baby and burning the tips of its fingers off. A chicken's beak is extremely sensitive, if not more so than our own fingertips. If the chickens weren't treated like **** and kept under improper conditions then there would be no need to burn their beaks off. They peck and fight because they're under a lot of stress. That's to be expected considering they live in a very small box-sized space all their life and aren't even able to stretch their legs out.
  
  I own 18 chickens currently and had a batch of about 25 a few years ago. I have a pen for them but they are mostly free range and like to keep around the yard. They are extremely healthy and only peck to establish pecking orders.
  
  They give us healthy food for such low maintenance. Why do we treat them like ****? Dogs don't do anything but give us some companionship. Why don't we start gathering up the strays and eat those if you only care about cheap food?
  
  It's called empathy and it's part of being human.

  
  
  Actually, some eastern countries feast on dogs and cats, some of the time even rats, then again, most of those countries are poor. And I think that if you treat the animals with high standards and eat them later, it's like saying this to a guy in a fight to the death, "Listen, I'm going to kill you anyways, so I'll let you hit me as many times as you can before I kill you (The guy you're fighting is a SUPER WIMP who cannot even kill an ant). In laymen terms, give someone mercy but revoke it, betrayal.
  
  It's not like most people are going to remember a chicken's leg they ate and which chicken did the leg belong to. [S]We should promote cannibalism once the Earth somehow gets over populated.[/S] Pingas
• User495 wrote on 2011-08-01 19:49

  Quote from Phigga;534109:

  If I cared, I wouldn't be eating the food, IMO.
  
  I personally just don't like to think about it. I recall one time watching my grandmother kill this duck that she was gonna cook and I was so horrified that I couldn't eat it, haha. I was young though.
  
  Granted, if I don't watch the animal die, I'm all down for a delicious meal.
  
  It's just sympathy, I guess.

  
  
  ^ this for the most part- I'd eat it but, the thought isn't very nice
• Niuu wrote on 2011-08-01 19:54
  Thise chicks look so cute... and tastefull at the same time T.T
• Crimmy wrote on 2011-08-01 19:59

  Quote from Excalibuurr;534163:

  Actually, some eastern countries feast on dogs and cats, some of the time even rats, then again, most of those countries are poor.

  
  
  That's what I was hinting at when I mentioned eating dogs. In Western culture dogs are valued and not to be eaten but if you just want cheap food, eat 'em like Eastern cultures do.
  
  

  Quote from Excalibuurr;534163:

  And I think that if you treat the animals with high standards and eat them later, it's like saying this to a guy in a fight to the death, "Listen, I'm going to kill you anyways, so I'll let you hit me as many times as you can before I kill you (The guy you're fighting is a SUPER WIMP who cannot even kill an ant). In laymen terms, give someone mercy but revoke it, betrayal.

  
  
  Chickens don't think that way, they're not human. There's a difference between giving something a ****ty life and giving something a decent, peaceful life though. If we can treat dogs, who only give companionship, like humans why can't we treat chickens with a little bit of decency? Most activists don't ask for chickens to sit on a royal pillow while laying eggs, just to give them more space and better living conditions so they won't have to suffer having their beaks burned off.
• Spike wrote on 2011-08-01 20:04

  Quote from Crimmy;534154:

  It's no different from taking a few months old baby and burning the tips of its fingers off.

  It's completely different. We are humans, and chickens are chickens. They are our prey. Sure, I can empathize and wouldn't want to do these things myself. But to compare it to mutilating babies of our own kind? Nope, thats just your insane ideals that chickens are somehow equal to humans.
• Strawberry wrote on 2011-08-01 20:11
  A lot of people don't seem to have the thought about it until they eat it. Hence why some of my classmates became vegetarians after they saw things at a slaughterhouse.
  I wouldn't think that a lot of people would eat meat ever again after seeing something like that though.
  
  Sure that they're our source of food and all, but I don't think animals that was practically abuse for food need to be trapped in a cell never to see sunlight ever again. Like, can't they at least be free like we are? Except the fact we aren't necessarily abused for food.
  Sometimes it just makes me think; do people take food for granted?
• Cynic wrote on 2011-08-01 20:14

  Quote from Spike;534185:

  It's completely different. We are humans, and chickens are chickens. They are our prey. Sure, I can empathize and wouldn't want to do these things myself. But to compare it to mutilating babies of our own kind? Nope, thats just your insane ideals that chickens are somehow equal to humans.

  
  
  Animals are actually, in some ways, better than humans. You don't see crime, rape, murder and all that other stuff in the animal world.
  Of course, there are things that make us better.. but frankly, I would rather live in a world of animals than humans.
  
  Humans tend to be pitiful, selfish creatures. I'm surprised you didn't gather as much just by the topic alone.
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2011-08-01 20:18

  Quote from Spike;534185:

  It's completely different. We are humans, and chickens are chickens. They are our prey. Sure, I can empathize and wouldn't want to do these things myself. But to compare it to mutilating babies of our own kind? Nope, thats just your insane ideals that chickens are somehow equal to humans.

  
  It's not really insane because our babies are just as stupid as theirs.
  
  NO WAIT, they're even more stupid and can't do anything by their own because when they get out of the womb they're not nearly "finished", to the point that you could objectively argue in favour of baby killing as an effective birth control means because they only really qualify as "natural machines" anyway.
  
  There is obviously good reason to elevate animals of your own species on a level that you consider actions threating their wellbeing as immoral, but I really don't see how doing the same to other lifeforms is suddenly "insane". It might be very idealistic and soft, but so is truly modern penal law, and I hope you're not suggesting it's insane because of that.
  All those ****loads of meat don't exactly contribute to the wellbeing of most of us anyway so I don't think the welfare of man is a good argument for cruelty against different species.
• Spike wrote on 2011-08-01 20:37

  Quote from Cynic;534192:

  Animals are actually, in some ways, better than humans. You don't see crime, rape, murder and all that other stuff in the animal world.
  Of course, there are things that make us better.. but frankly, I would rather live in a world of animals than humans.
  
  Humans tend to be pitiful, selfish creatures. I'm surprised you didn't gather as much just by the topic alone.

  Male dolphins isolate females from the pod and withhold food until they consent to sex.
  
  The poaching of bull elephants has led to many younger elephants entering bull stage too early. The hormonal overload causes them to go on multi species raping sprees. If it can be mounted it gets f*cked.
  
  Come again? No rape? And it's obvious there's no crime because they are not advanced species.
  
  Not gonna comment on the rest of your post. You should stop your brooding "I'm angry at the world" thing, but I guess it's excusable because you're only 16/17...
  
  Sell everything you own and go live with wolves if you want to live in the animal world so much.
  
  grade for your trolling: [SIZE="3"]6/10[/SIZE]
  raged a little, but no one is that ignorant of the animal world.