3rd transformation

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sakraycore wrote on 2011-09-15 10:38

1st trans: pally > dk (before 2nd trans came out)
2nd trans: dk >>> pally (before 3rd trans comes out)
3rd trans: pally >>>>> dk?? (before 4th trans comes out)

your thoughts?
Andy-Buddy wrote on 2011-09-15 10:49

I still see them as pretty equal. o -o
Skye wrote on 2011-09-15 10:51

I've yet to see the third trans, so I can't say anything about it.

As far as the first two go, I think they're equal, each with their own pros and cons.
Cucurbita wrote on 2011-09-15 10:53

I'm Pally now but situationally speaking I would like to sometimes switch to DK. It would be more beneficial.

But I don't regret my choice. Pally is better overall. But there are times where DK really shines.
Oizen wrote on 2011-09-15 10:56

Third trans will most likely not be worth using at all if it follows the path the other two set.

I mean, 30 seconds isn't a lot of time to work with, and most of the skills will just be repeats of the already repeated ones.

Quote from Andy-Buddy;587835:
I still see them as pretty equal. o -o

DK Aura > Pally aura (or whatever its called)
foreignreign wrote on 2011-09-15 13:35

Quote from OizenX;587847:
DK Aura > Pally aura (or whatever its called)

Not true. DK Aura is potentially great for yourself (I find it kind of useless as a staff Evie though) and spear Lanns. Paladin Aura is potentially great for everyone.

While +150 Stamina is nice, DK Aura does not increase stamina regen for you or others, and for other players, only lasts 15 seconds. Sure, if you catch a DK Aura while you're regenning stamina you can stand around for an extra 3 seconds or w/e so you can regen it again, but the problem there is you have to use up all the stamina before the 15 seconds (minus the amount of time it took you to generate that extra stamina) is out. Because once that 15 seconds is out, even if you're standing right next to a DK, you won't have the same 150 stamina; you'll have the original 150 wear off, you'll be back at regular stamina (if only for a single moment) and then you'll have +150 stamina again.

In other words, if you're a staff Evie and get DK Aura from someone else it'll be useless since staff Evie stamina regen is piss poor. If you happen to be at close to 0 stamina and catch a DK Aura, you'll have to stand for a bit less than twice as long to fully regen stamina and you'll have to use it hella fast before the thing wears out (which may be hard to do if the boss does something that prohibits you from attacking, ie: Glas decides to fly away).

With Pally Aura it's more like "Oh I have Pally Aura, nifty." No need to worry about actually "using" it since it does what it does.

As for the original post, depends. Paladin Spear Lann and hammer Fiona are on par (or better, entirely circumstantial) with DK spear Lann and hammer Fiona DPS because of their spinning nature, moreso for spear Lann since he doesn't rely on Slashing High for super armor. More DEF = more tanking = more reckless spinning = easier DPS. DK is much better for the other characters/weapon-types, though.
Lolicon wrote on 2011-09-15 14:56

I really just went with DK cuz it looked cool. With Scythe Evie, it can go either way.
Conor wrote on 2011-09-15 15:12

30 seconds can be good depending on how much of a boost 3rd tier would get.
But I'm sure they'll renew the whole system when third trans comes out.
Andy-Buddy wrote on 2011-09-15 15:49

Quote from foreignreign;588074:
Not true. DK Aura is potentially great for yourself (I find it kind of useless as a staff Evie though) and spear Lanns. Paladin Aura is potentially great for everyone.

While +150 Stamina is nice, DK Aura does not increase stamina regen for you or others, and for other players, only lasts 15 seconds. Sure, if you catch a DK Aura while you're regenning stamina you can stand around for an extra 3 seconds or w/e so you can regen it again, but the problem there is you have to use up all the stamina before the 15 seconds (minus the amount of time it took you to generate that extra stamina) is out. Because once that 15 seconds is out, even if you're standing right next to a DK, you won't have the same 150 stamina; you'll have the original 150 wear off, you'll be back at regular stamina (if only for a single moment) and then you'll have +150 stamina again.

In other words, if you're a staff Evie and get DK Aura from someone else it'll be useless since staff Evie stamina regen is piss poor. If you happen to be at close to 0 stamina and catch a DK Aura, you'll have to stand for a bit less than twice as long to fully regen stamina and you'll have to use it hella fast before the thing wears out (which may be hard to do if the boss does something that prohibits you from attacking, ie: Glas decides to fly away).

With Pally Aura it's more like "Oh I have Pally Aura, nifty." No need to worry about actually "using" it since it does what it does.

As for the original post, depends. Paladin Spear Lann and hammer Fiona are on par (or better, entirely circumstantial) with DK spear Lann and hammer Fiona DPS because of their spinning nature, moreso for spear Lann since he doesn't rely on Slashing High for super armor. More DEF = more tanking = more reckless spinning = easier DPS. DK is much better for the other characters/weapon-types, though.

When the DK stamina boost runs out, you keep the additional stamina you regenerated. It just doesn't regenerate past cap.
Super Armor isn't a worry with 95% Resistance, which is pretty common for second trans users.
Oizen wrote on 2011-09-15 16:26

Quote from foreignreign;588074:
Not true. DK Aura is potentially great for yourself (I find it kind of useless as a staff Evie though) and spear Lanns. Paladin Aura is potentially great for everyone.

While +150 Stamina is nice, DK Aura does not increase stamina regen for you or others, and for other players, only lasts 15 seconds. Sure, if you catch a DK Aura while you're regenning stamina you can stand around for an extra 3 seconds or w/e so you can regen it again, but the problem there is you have to use up all the stamina before the 15 seconds (minus the amount of time it took you to generate that extra stamina) is out. Because once that 15 seconds is out, even if you're standing right next to a DK, you won't have the same 150 stamina; you'll have the original 150 wear off, you'll be back at regular stamina (if only for a single moment) and then you'll have +150 stamina again.

In other words, if you're a staff Evie and get DK Aura from someone else it'll be useless since staff Evie stamina regen is piss poor. If you happen to be at close to 0 stamina and catch a DK Aura, you'll have to stand for a bit less than twice as long to fully regen stamina and you'll have to use it hella fast before the thing wears out (which may be hard to do if the boss does something that prohibits you from attacking, ie: Glas decides to fly away).

With Pally Aura it's more like "Oh I have Pally Aura, nifty." No need to worry about actually "using" it since it does what it does.

As for the original post, depends. Paladin Spear Lann and hammer Fiona are on par (or better, entirely circumstantial) with DK spear Lann and hammer Fiona DPS because of their spinning nature, moreso for spear Lann since he doesn't rely on Slashing High for super armor. More DEF = more tanking = more reckless spinning = easier DPS. DK is much better for the other characters/weapon-types, though.

All your argument is about taking the 12 second buff from a different DK.

Pally aura adds an insignificant amount of SP per second. If you even have 1 point into fatigue, you'll never even notice it.

You're crediting fatigue, not the useless Pally Aura.

Both DK and Pally have Fatigue, I assure you that you wont get Slashing High any higher then I will.
whocares8128 wrote on 2011-09-16 02:03

Quote from OizenX;588272:
Both DK and Pally have Fatigue, I assure you that you wont get Slashing High any higher then I will.

Then you must have maxed Slashing High, because I find that skill quite useful with a hammer in hand.
Oizen wrote on 2011-09-16 05:54

Quote from whocares8128;588461:
Then you must have maxed Slashing High, because I find that skill quite useful with a hammer in hand.

I'm a Lann, I have almost everything maxed .-.'
BizarreJuju wrote on 2011-09-16 06:08

As a Karok, DK was a best decision for me 8D
With shock absorb, the survivability is high with Karok in trans so the defense boost wouldn't make any big difference to me. I personally like the Aura for the DK than Pally (More stam > small SP regen) that way I can War Slam longer. Then with the skill that increase SP gain from attack skill, I can fully charge my SP.

My Trans use:
1. Trans1 (4SP) > Whirlwind X2 > Spam Slam
2. Trans1 (4SP) > Whirlwind > Attack till SP reach 4 > Trans2 (2SP) > Spam Slam [Till Stam depletes]> Whirlwind
3. Trans1 (0SP) > Attack till SP reach 2 > Trans2 (0SP) > Spam Slam

Once I eat up my Stam, 2nd trans conveniently recovers my stam and hp, so its handy :]
Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-09-16 07:26

They should remove the AP and SP requirements on 2nd trans when 3rd trans comes out.
:thumb:
voltar wrote on 2011-09-17 02:40

i was kinda hoping they'd extend the whole thing to 3 minutes...if it's 30 seconds for 2nd and 3rd trans then tha sorta seems like more disincentive to team-play (rez, corona, etc.)

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