New Mail System.

• sakraycore wrote on 2011-09-22 12:35
  Simply put.
  
  I like it because the market place forum is just too big and cluttered and it feels like the prices will be a lot more reasonable now with more items in the marketplace and hopefully driving down the prices due to the time limit pressure.
  
  Discuss.
  
  PS for those who are not aware of the new "temporary" mail system, you can't request cash on delivery anymore.
• whocares8128 wrote on 2011-09-22 13:01
  Well this pretty much kills the enchant scroll market. I imagine people with other highly priced items (that don't expire) will simply wait until this temporary measure is removed.
• Cynic wrote on 2011-09-22 13:03
  What the f*ck? So I either have to waste 10 bucks on a prem. shop or meet up with all my customers?
  
  How retarded and useless.
• sakraycore wrote on 2011-09-22 13:05

  Quote from whocares8128;594929:

  Well this pretty much kills the enchant scroll market. I imagine people with other highly priced items (that don't expire) will simply wait until this temporary measure is removed.

  
  
  It doesn't kill it it makes it better imo. Right now it's impossible to find well enchanted stuff in the marketplace (which is much easier to use since you don't have to enchant it urself), but it's gonna change with this. So eventually you'll be able to buy stuff prechanted, which is FTW for those of us who don't want to spend NINE DOLLARS for a rune that doesn't guarantee success.
  
  People with highly priced items can still use the marketplace, but maybe now it won't cost 200million!!
• whocares8128 wrote on 2011-09-22 13:24
  I was talking about the sale of the scrolls themselves, not enchanted equipment.
  
  Also, I don't see any reason why the "auctions" (for other things besides scrolls) that take place on the official forums couldn't still go on. The only difference is that the actual sale would have to occur on the Marketplace, but the winner of the auction could be whispered by the seller right before/after the item goes up for sale. And of course, the seller probably doesn't care if someone else swoops in to ninja-buy the item for the same price.
  
  Unless I'm missing something, the only difference is that money cannot be sent via mail. The notice doesn't even mention COD, but since the "return" message includes money, I can see how it would be impacted as well. I'll have to have a look at it myself once I can log in.
• sakraycore wrote on 2011-09-22 13:33

  Quote from whocares8128;594953:

  I was talking about the sale of the scrolls themselves, not enchanted equipment.
  
  Also, I don't see any reason why the "auctions" (for other things besides scrolls) that take place on the official forums couldn't still go on. The only difference is that the actual sale would have to occur on the Marketplace, but the winner of the auction could be whispered by the seller right before/after the item goes up for sale. And of course, the seller probably doesn't care if someone else swoops in to ninja-buy the item for the same price.
  
  Unless I'm missing something, the only difference is that money cannot be sent via mail. The notice doesn't even mention COD, but since the "return" message includes money, I can see how it would be impacted as well. I'll have to have a look at it myself once I can log in.

  
  
  Unless sale of enchants DIES, sales of prechanted equipment will never pick up. You just have to give one or the other up. In my case, I'd rather sale of enchants dies. But it's more of a personal preference thing, I guess.
  
  By Ninja, you mean in a couple of minutes to potentially hours. Not everyone is online all the time right? That is enough time for other people who are actually interested to buy it if the price is low enough. And for the buyer to last minute bail out if the price is not low enough, and costing the seller the listing fee. This is a good move to prevent people from selling stuff for higher than it's actually worth.
• Oizen wrote on 2011-09-22 13:45
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  This ultimately prevents me from sending gold from my Lann to my Evie. Well ****.
• whocares8128 wrote on 2011-09-22 14:41

  Quote from sakraycore;594970:

  By Ninja, you mean in a couple of minutes to potentially hours. Not everyone is online all the time right? That is enough time for other people who are actually interested to buy it if the price is low enough. And for the buyer to last minute bail out if the price is not low enough, and costing the seller the listing fee. This is a good move to prevent people from selling stuff for higher than it's actually worth.

  
  
  By "ninja" I mean within a few seconds. I'm assuming the buyer/seller agreed to both be online and in communication prior to the marketplace listing, since the item in question can only be publicly sold now (without some trust required, well beyond what sending an item with COD used to cost). If the seller whispered the buyer right before posting the item for sale, there is a good chance that the buyer will see it (and thus buy it) first. If someone else saw it before the intended buyer and bought it, then the seller probably wasn't asking for what it is really worth (not that the seller really cares who the item goes to). If the buyer decides that the price is more than they're willing to pay afterall (backs out), someone might still come along in the 24 hour period and buy it, in which case the seller would still be happy.
  
  I doubt people will simply list stuff (without a buyer lined up) that they hope to sell for tons of money; it simply costs too much, when you're hoping to attract a top-dollar buyer. I think you're being too optimistic about this change's impact. I don't see enchanted equipment becoming available in a reverse-auction setting simply because the sellers cannot trade secretly anymore. There is still much more demand than supply of the really good stuff.
• Archibald wrote on 2011-09-22 15:00
  cute. They did this mostly to prevent bots mailing gold.
• Archibald wrote on 2011-09-22 15:02

  Quote from Archibald;595094:

  cute. They did this mostly to prevent bots mailing gold.

  
  
  And all they need to do is make enchants sell able on the marketplace. Its a mistake to make it so you can't mail them. It also hurts some players who have some items on alts for storage.
• BizarreJuju wrote on 2011-09-22 15:58
  can people still mail gold if lets say your alt requests "1mil for an arrow"?
  
  Then that way we just need to spend extra time logging into alt and requesting gold.
• whocares8128 wrote on 2011-09-22 16:52
  COD is not possible at the moment, but you could sell it that way on the marketplace.
• foreignreign wrote on 2011-09-22 20:42
  Would be fine if we could list scrolls on the MP.
  
  Scrolls are the driving force of the economy right now (hacker or not), so now it's harder for legit players to raise money.
• Gotejjeken wrote on 2011-09-25 11:10

  Quote from sakraycore;594939:

  It doesn't kill it it makes it better imo. Right now it's impossible to find well enchanted stuff in the marketplace (which is much easier to use since you don't have to enchant it urself), but it's gonna change with this. So eventually you'll be able to buy stuff prechanted, which is FTW for those of us who don't want to spend NINE DOLLARS for a rune that doesn't guarantee success.
  
  People with highly priced items can still use the marketplace, but maybe now it won't cost 200million!!

  
  
  This pretty much kills the DIY aspect of the game. For instance, I have a +10 BH that I may want to add a Maelstrom to. I simply can't now without putting a lot of trust in people I don't know. Either that or do as you suggest and wait for a pre-enchanted +10 BH with acceptable dura and an appropriate prefix. Which is now going to cost 10 times as much since all the risk is on the seller.
  
  As there is absolutely no way I'm doing that as I only have 5m and can't possibly afford to pay someone to do everything for me, I simply quit until this gets resolved and we get new content. It's really a shame to see a game go from really awesome a year ago to a pitiful mess today.
• tai wrote on 2011-09-27 15:01
  The new mail system is totally screwing up the marketplace. Because players are now using the marketplace to send gold between chars (and i presume that's how gold selling is operating too), the Marketplace Standard Price is reporting much higher numbers than typical. Many of my basic tailoring materials have skyrocketed in price (5k spider web, 1k blood sucking plant, normally it'd be 1000/300) because of the altered Standard Price from players using these common items to transfer large amounts of gold.
  
  On the other hand, prices for magic powders and elixirs are dropping rapidly, proof that the mailbox change has severely hampered the enchant scroll market.