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Haydrian wrote on 2010-06-15 04:44
Well i'm in quite the interesting dilemma here. I managed to get my paws on a upgraded 190 red/black llb the other day from a friend. I was planning to ego one instead but due to my heavily melee based albeit hybrid nature this upgraded bow may do just fine as is for my range needs.
So now I'm back to my origional dilemma of going either red/black gladius, muramasa, or red/black llb. I plan on using repair pots not traditional repairs no matter what I choose. Both the muramasa and gladius have great max damage for ego weapons with a muramasa just slightly beating out a gladius. Leather long egos are the most versatile of bow egos (although i'm unsure on ring and wing bow egos how good they are).
I'm going for style and function because that's how i roll.
What's everyone's opinion? Might help me choose which would work best. Thanks!
Keep in mind I'm complete hybrid aka magic/melee/range and eventually also alchemy but i'm nt worried about alchemy for quite some time yet.
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-06-15 06:09
If you can get your hands on Wing Bow, it would be better than LLB as long as you do not WM with it. It has longer range, slightly higher critical, and can knockdown in two shots. It is slightly lower damage, but your dex should make up for that.
The problem with Wing Bow is that it is very hard to get one. The lack of colors may also turn away some people as well.
Gladius does offer more flexibility. Muramasa has slightly more max damage than Gladius, but not sure how well does the stat raises after level 40. You will have to decide which is more important to you, melee or range. How about your lifeskills? Are you willing to rank all the lifeskills to improve your range?
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Chiri wrote on 2010-06-15 06:11
I managed to get my paws on a upgraded 190 red/black llb
Cross out the llb from your list, you can't spirit an upgraded weapon.
If you can get your hands on Wing Bow, it would be better than LLB as long as you do not WM with it.
? Windmilling with bows does bare-handed damage, so I don't see why there should be any difference with the two.
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-06-15 06:26
Quote from Chiri;64859:
Cross out the llb from your list, you can't spirit an upgraded weapon.
? Windmilling with bows does bare-handed damage, so I don't see why there should be any difference with the two.
Wing Bow has fast weapon speed while LLB has like slow. It is similar to WMing with daggers versus gladius in terms of monsters coming back at you. The WM damage, however, is the same.
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Haydrian wrote on 2010-06-15 06:28
Quote from Chiri;64859:
Cross out the llb from your list, you can't spirit an upgraded weapon.
Oh I'm well aware of this as I'm far from new to ego weapons. Got my first one shortly after they were released to try out. I would get another one to make ego (might anyway) the old fashioned way through fishing as my handicraft will very shortly be at 6 and I can make my item piecing finally, lol. I'm aware you can make them at rank 7, however I'm going to wait until rank 6. Yes I have the fishing to back up the use of them.
Quote from EndlessDreams;64858:
If you can get your hands on Wing Bow, it would be better than LLB as long as you do not WM with it. It has longer range, slightly higher critical, and can knockdown in two shots. It is slightly lower damage, but your dex should make up for that.
The problem with Wing Bow is that it is very hard to get one. The lack of colors may also turn away some people as well.
Gladius does offer more flexibility. Muramasa has slightly more max damage than Gladius, but not sure how well does the stat raises after level 40. You will have to decide which is more important to you, melee or range. How about your lifeskills? Are you willing to rank all the lifeskills to improve your range?
From 40+ they are pretty much identical with a muramasa having a slight lead in critical. I'm completely insane and plan to rank 1 EVERYTHING so yes, i plan to do life skills to up my dex, haha.
I do base in melee which is why i started rethinking things again as this will be my last ego i will make on my main. I do enjoy range greatly but i'm thinking about going to a one-hand melee oriented ego again due to just the sheer flexibility and damage for a hybrid such as myself.
That's what i kind of figured about the wing bows. They are a beautiful bow though and if they were more easy to obtain I would more closely consider one. I could always buy one but i rarely to never see them for sale on tarlach. At least not where i hunt.
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Bearhumper wrote on 2010-06-16 04:51
After the ego uncap Mura's have higher max and crit than the glad.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2010-06-16 05:23
Quote from Bearhumper;66155:
After the ego uncap Mura's have higher max and crit than the glad.
If they don't have higher min than the gladius. Still not worth it.
Stability ftw. No amount of balance can save an unstable weapon. Mathematically impossible.
Why i'll never use Broad swords.
Sure 12 more max damage... but crappy min? with 80% balance i still hit my absolute minimum with WM at times.
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Bearhumper wrote on 2010-06-16 05:39
Eh, that's personal preference.
I used Glads before and after I finished my 222 broads, i hit much higher, more often than not, some odd times I hit like 300 lower on crits or 50 - 100 lower without so it's no big deal.
If it's only for max wm damage, the new upgrades for Bastards are beastly, 40 - 80 damage with like 8% crit, that's with dropped/smithed bastard swords.
Oh Hate, you might want to consider a bastard ego too, if you're interested in a high min/max ego, they get a high max than Glads but a much lower crit.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2010-06-16 06:57
Quote from Bearhumper;66190:
Eh, that's personal preference.
I used Glads before and after I finished my 222 broads, i hit much higher, more often than not, some odd times I hit like 300 lower on crits or 50 - 100 lower without so it's no big deal.
If it's only for max wm damage, the new upgrades for Bastards are beastly, 40 - 80 damage with like 8% crit, that's with dropped/smithed bastard swords.
Oh Hate, you might want to consider a bastard ego too, if you're interested in a high min/max ego, they get a high max than Glads but a much lower crit.
I am just picky when it comes to consistency. I go do my missions and if i dont consistently 2 hit what im fighting. i raise my min.
When you run over 30-40 shadow missions a day. you want to be consistent.
I noticed when i WM trained at TNN zombies i would hit my absolute min around 5-10% of my WMs with 80% balance.
Also why I despise the darkness enchant instead of STR enchants.
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Haydrian wrote on 2010-06-17 02:03
Quote from Bearhumper;66190:
Eh, that's personal preference.
I used Glads before and after I finished my 222 broads, i hit much higher, more often than not, some odd times I hit like 300 lower on crits or 50 - 100 lower without so it's no big deal.
If it's only for max wm damage, the new upgrades for Bastards are beastly, 40 - 80 damage with like 8% crit, that's with dropped/smithed bastard swords.
Oh Hate, you might want to consider a bastard ego too, if you're interested in a high min/max ego, they get a high max than Glads but a much lower crit.
I thought about bastards swords as well but the crit is preferred for my preferences there-by the decision of Mura VS Gladius. That's also why I chose to go Claymore versus Two-hander back in the day. I do plan to give an alt a bastard sword ego, however, as they are a nice ego.
I'm actually with Bear here. Consistency is lovely but for the amount I play and how I play it is not essential for me. I refuse to grind these days due to simply personal preference. I will eventually get around to making 222 broadswords but at the same time still use 265 gladii as well as my 105 daggers and so on (for dual-wield anyway). I enjoy variety in my weapons so having an ego that doesn't hit max all the time wont make me cry.
I'm leaning more towards a muramasa as time continues. I've pretty much brought it down to a muramasa versus a red/black leather long bow. So the question lingers of melee versus range. tricky question for me.
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Bearhumper wrote on 2010-06-17 21:17
Quote from Rysterz;66881:
I'm leaning more towards a muramasa as time continues. I've pretty much brought it down to a muramasa versus a red/black leather long bow. So the question lingers of melee versus range. tricky question for me.
Haha, ever since Blaze came out, I've given up range except in pvp/boredom.
I just never use it in general, I had my hopes up for a wing bow ego, but that's all gone now, melee for me is simply faster and doesn't require all that time doing life skills.
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Phanterz wrote on 2010-06-17 22:50
Quote from EndlessDreams;64868:
Wing Bow has fast weapon speed while LLB has like slow. It is similar to WMing with daggers versus gladius in terms of monsters coming back at you. The WM damage, however, is the same.
All bows have a fast windmill stun. The speed of the bow only applies to ranged attacks.
I would be doing a gladius.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2010-06-18 08:08
Quote from Rysterz;66881:
I thought about bastards swords as well but the crit is preferred for my preferences there-by the decision of Mura VS Gladius. That's also why I chose to go Claymore versus Two-hander back in the day. I do plan to give an alt a bastard sword ego, however, as they are a nice ego.
I'm actually with Bear here. Consistency is lovely but for the amount I play and how I play it is not essential for me. I refuse to grind these days due to simply personal preference. I will eventually get around to making 222 broadswords but at the same time still use 265 gladii as well as my 105 daggers and so on (for dual-wield anyway). I enjoy variety in my weapons so having an ego that doesn't hit max all the time wont make me cry.
I'm leaning more towards a muramasa as time continues. I've pretty much brought it down to a muramasa versus a red/black leather long bow. So the question lingers of melee versus range. tricky question for me.
Yea each playstyle has their own needs and demands.
I am a grinding playstyle... A HEAVY grinding playstyle. Can sit doing the same mission all day (30ish done a day)
Consistency is extremely important for me.
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Haydrian wrote on 2010-06-19 06:20
Quote from Bearhumper;67864:
Haha, ever since Blaze came out, I've given up range except in pvp/boredom.
I just never use it in general, I had my hopes up for a wing bow ego, but that's all gone now, melee for me is simply faster and doesn't require all that time doing life skills.
Yea I'm certainly leaning melee since it's for me the most efficient next to magic. It's just simply more efficient for magic-counter in most situations, charge based combos in others, and when in a tough place thunder now (used to be firebolt). Range I was going to add in more so since I want to cover all my grounds but the more I think about it the more impractical it seems for my fighting styles which border battle-mage more than anything.
Thanks for the assists guys.
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BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2010-06-19 15:20
Hmm..
reading everything
seems that the cat was right
People would shift from range to melee from the introduction of shadow missions.
It's impossible to crit the monsters in hard mode