How to play an elf for free in G15 (an equipment guide).

• SUNFLARE wrote on 2011-10-27 03:46
  I DO have a Question though WHich should We rank first Magnum or CrashShot ?
• Loopulse wrote on 2011-10-27 04:06
  Say elf archer, because elves are also great mages. Most mana, int and ice spear costs less.
• radionoise wrote on 2011-10-27 04:12

  Quote from Loopulse;637036:

  Say elf archer, because elves are also great mages. Most mana, int and ice spear costs less.

  
  
  

  This guide is mostly for established ranged elf players

  
  
  I thought this was stated many times in the guide. And for mage, free rebirths or spirit weapons hardly affect performance.
• Loopulse wrote on 2011-10-27 04:21

  Quote from radionoise;637055:

  I thought this was stated many times in the guide. And for mage, free rebirths or spirit weapons hardly affect performance.

  
  
  Well I just read the title then scanned it before realizing the title was misleading. :whistle:
• Clarey wrote on 2011-10-27 14:59
  I enjoy the points you made about the ego options and the enchants, there are a few others that may or may not also be beneficial to others. Dexterity or Delusional, even the Ancient enchant. Maybe mentioning a bit about light armors?
• radionoise wrote on 2011-10-27 16:03

  Quote from Clarey;637499:

  I enjoy the points you made about the ego options and the enchants, there are a few others that may or may not also be beneficial to others. Dexterity or Delusional, even the Ancient enchant. Maybe mentioning a bit about light armors?

  
  
  I mentioned Dexterity in the hats section. It is the best suffix for headgear.
  
  Light armor is ignored because it's beyond terrible. In terms of damage and critical, it is worse than clothing from the low end all the way to the high end, and come g15 it will also be behind on the 10% Magnum bonus that clothing offers through Bohemian set.
  
  The point of this setup is also to get luck down to 0, which is way less practical on a light armor.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2011-10-27 17:17

  Quote from Hunteraced;636986:

  Interesting. At what damage point does human range become effective? As in what sort of max do you need to obtain to be able to run advanced to hard mode shadow mission and be able to kill the monsters effectively without getting him... As in a smash->Assault->windmill combo will take out anything in advanced for me. I have 230ish max out of trans. What sort of max do I need to be able to take out monsters quickly and effectively with range?
  
  Hunt

  
  
  Human range becomes effective around the same time as Elven range. In my opinion, Elven rangers have four notable advantages over Human rangers.
  1. The reduced load time of Magnum Shot
  2. The ability to utilize ranged attacks while mounted, improved mobility
  3. Final Shot
  4. Elven Magic Missile
  
  Any other advantages that Elves have are negligible. Humans have Arrow Revolver, which largely outclasses Elf Ranged Attack though it's obviously inferior to the sheer DPS of Magnum Shot.
  
  Any Shadow Mission worth solo'ing for experience can be easily solo'd with around 300 maximum damage and ~90% critical. You'll want around 400-500 max when running elite missions and 130% critical. I'm sitting at around 300 maximum and 130% critical and I can more than hold my own in elite missions.
  
  Take advantage of your Human strengths. I can wipe out most enemies in hardmode with crash shot followed by bowmill and then Arrow Revolver. I can also follow support shot with 1k+ bowmill or 3k+ duel sword windmill. With better melee gear, you could potentially hit around 7k on non-elemental enemies. Paladins will have greater average damage than Falcons while Dark Knights can potentially maintain their transformation indefinitely.
  
  Essentially, the thing which matters the most when utilizing range (Crash Shot) is largely the same between Humans and Elves.
• radionoise wrote on 2011-10-27 17:44

  Quote from Kaeporo;637608:

  Human range becomes effective around the same time as Elven range. In my opinion, Elven rangers have four notable advantages over Human rangers.
  1. The reduced load time of Magnum Shot
  2. The ability to utilize ranged attacks while mounted, improved mobility
  3. Final Shot
  4. Elven Magic Missile
  
  Any other advantages that Elves have are negligible. Humans have Arrow Revolver, which largely outclasses Elf Ranged Attack though it's obviously inferior to the sheer DPS of Magnum Shot.
  
  Any Shadow Mission worth solo'ing for experience can be easily solo'd with around 300 maximum damage and ~90% critical. You'll want around 400-500 max when running elite missions and 130% critical. I'm sitting at around 300 maximum and 130% critical and I can more than hold my own in elite missions.
  
  Take advantage of your Human strengths. I can wipe out most enemies in hardmode with crash shot followed by bowmill and then Arrow Revolver. I can also follow support shot with 1k+ bowmill or 3k+ duel sword windmill. With better melee gear, you could potentially hit around 7k on non-elemental enemies. Paladins will have greater average damage than Falcons while Dark Knights can potentially maintain their transformation indefinitely.
  
  Essentially, the thing which matters the most when utilizing range (Crash Shot) is largely the same between Humans and Elves.

  
  
  AR does not outclass elven ranged attack even after the buff o-o... both are still largely useless compared to magnum, anyway.
  
  Aim speed metalwear only affects normal ranged attacks (not AR even if it's a light ranged skill) so elven range's one weakness of slower aiming can be erradicated.
• Balenciaga wrote on 2011-10-27 21:16

  Quote from Kaeporo;637608:

  Human range becomes effective around the same time as Elven range.

  
  No, I don't think so. Why? You pointed out why it isn't.
  
  

  Quote from Kaeporo;637608:

  1. The reduced load time of Magnum Shot
  2. The ability to utilize ranged attacks while mounted, improved mobility
  

  
  Just those two are enough to make vast difference of effectiveness between them at same level.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2011-10-27 23:23

  Quote from radionoise;637628:

  AR does not outclass elven ranged attack even after the buff o-o... both are still largely useless compared to magnum, anyway.
  
  Aim speed metalwear only affects normal ranged attacks (not AR even if it's a light ranged skill) so elven range's one weakness of slower aiming can be erradicated.

  
  
  That's why it's important to combine Human range with some other skillset. You can start with a powerful Crash Shot/Windmill and follow up quickly with Arrow Revolver. I wish I could find the video of that player on KR Mabinogi who solo'd Shadow Cast City Hard in nearly four minutes flat with an R-Type Arbalest and the Sword of Elsinore + Spirit Bastard Sword.
  
  I also disagree that Elven Ranged Attack outclasses Arrow Revolver. The purpose of these skills is to provide a fast and reliable alternative to the harder hitting options, which will be Crash Shot half the time. While you can use metalwear upgrade slots to improve the accuracy of Ranged Attack, no such buff is needed when using Arrow Revolver as it's already incredibly accurate (though the aim duration of both skills at close range is negligible anyway).
  
  Arrow Revolver now sports similar DPS when compared to Ranged Attack (as two extra refire counts obviously drops AR down from 690% to slightly below the 666% DPS of Ranged Attack) , while being more accurate in situations outside of point-blank range.
  
  Anyway, that's the pointless stuff. The really important things are mounted combat (though it's generally only valuable when solo'ing certain missions for experience, i've yet to see serious mounted combat in party play) and the DPS of Elven Magnum Shot. I can only offer a single argument versus Magnum Shot.
  
  He asked when Human Ranged Attack becomes effective, not efficient. With the same base damage, a Human can pretty much do anything an Elf can...though it will take said Human more time to do it.
  
  Unlike most people, I don't feel that Human range is a gimped build. Especially as metalwear upgrades make anything with Crash Shot a killing machine.
• Darkkill wrote on 2011-10-31 05:23
  MIght i inquire where u get boheim pieces?
• nandattebayo wrote on 2011-10-31 14:54

  Quote from Darkkill;643192:

  MIght i inquire where u get boheim pieces?

  
  
  Ancient monsters.
• Cynic wrote on 2011-10-31 15:17
  Although the repairs for an LLB would be cheap, what about the price of Spirit Liqueur? White herbs go for around 10k each from what I've seen, and the Spirit Liqueurs themselves are kind of rare + probably just as expensive.
  
  Normally I'd use a herb pig but I may not have the NX for one for awhile.
• Clarey wrote on 2011-10-31 15:45

  Quote from radionoise;637545:

  I mentioned Dexterity in the hats section. It is the best suffix for headgear.
  
  Light armor is ignored because it's beyond terrible. In terms of damage and critical, it is worse than clothing from the low end all the way to the high end, and come g15 it will also be behind on the 10% Magnum bonus that clothing offers through Bohemian set.
  
  The point of this setup is also to get luck down to 0, which is way less practical on a light armor.

  
  
  The Bohemian set isn't going to be the easiest to get though, where as a tailored light armor can get you better protection then using a heavy armor that elves can wear, I mean I'm up for being a damage dealer but 1 missed arrow is all it takes for a monster to come up and 2 shot you, that is why I was wondering what your opinion was for light armors on elves. I mean The bohemian set is the ideal wear for elves at this point for the archers at least, but we can't guarantee we get a free handout on this set.
• Balenciaga wrote on 2011-10-31 15:52

  Quote from Cynic;643566:

  Although the repairs for an LLB would be cheap, what about the price of Spirit Liqueur? White herbs go for around 10k each from what I've seen, and the Spirit Liqueurs themselves are kind of rare + probably just as expensive.
  
  Normally I'd use a herb pig but I may not have the NX for one for awhile.

  
  Don't you mean 10K per stack?
  
  

  Quote from Clarey;643574:

  The Bohemian set isn't going to be the easiest to get though, where as a tailored light armor can get you better protection then using a heavy armor that elves can wear, I mean I'm up for being a damage dealer but 1 missed arrow is all it takes for a monster to come up and 2 shot you, that is why I was wondering what your opinion was for light armors on elves. I mean The bohemian set is the ideal wear for elves at this point for the archers at least, but we can't guarantee we get a free handout on this set.

  
  
  Instead of giving up on clothing option for defence, elves are better off using Mana Shield. Bohemian isn't easy to get, but other alternatives using light armor will still require you to obtain difficult to obtain enchant such as Ancient. The thing about Mana Shield and elves is that they are not effective by extented use since pot poison won't decrease damage at all and critical shouldn't be issue with the set up provided above and if it does, there are always alternatives such as Arbalest and Wing Bow.