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Akemii wrote on 2011-11-19 17:39
[video=vimeo;31100268]http://vimeo.com/31100268[/video]
Sh*t's getting worse, but this won't pass, will it?
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Piero wrote on 2011-11-19 17:47
If it does pass, I'm sure there'll be much rage.
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Akemii wrote on 2011-11-19 17:47
Quote from Piero;665558:
If it does pass, I'm sure there'll be much rage.
Yeah, but like at first I was like, nahhh won't ever pass. But it's getting worse :/
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Piero wrote on 2011-11-19 17:51
Quote from Akemii;665560:
Yeah, but like at first I was like, nahhh won't ever pass. But it's getting worse :/
Well yeah, they're actually taking this **** seriously, but if they do that then a large portion of America's teens and people who love to use the internet ( millions and millions of people ) will be on their asses till the end. I really do hope they don't pass this, because who knows what they'll try to do next..
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Akemii wrote on 2011-11-19 17:53
Quote from Piero;665564:
Well yeah, they're actually taking this **** seriously, but if they do that then a large portion of America's teens and people who love to use the internet ( millions and millions of people ) will be on their asses till the end. I really do hope they don't pass this, because who knows what they'll try to do next..
This is the first step to a dystopian society. They can't just censor the internet. :/
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Osayidan wrote on 2011-11-19 18:09
If it passes it will not last long.
You don't anger the internet.
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Sekwaf wrote on 2011-11-19 18:27
Well I like what they're TRYING to do. I won't say piracy is a huge moral issue but if people stole my property every single day, I'd be pretty pissed. However, like it said in the video, this isn't really stopping anything. I personally don't care about what happens to social networking sites or anything, infact I hate the darn things, but being able to block ANY site on a hunch that they may be distributing or promoting pirated material is a bit overboard, and it pretty much killed our whole "innocent until proven guilty" motto. I say that companies should just have the right to sue a site that distributes these materials and should they have proof, that site can be erased from the internet for all eternity. Do I think this will pass? No. Do I want it to? No. Is it a good idea in theory? Perhaps.
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Kayate wrote on 2011-11-19 19:13
Quote from Osayidan;665578:
If it passes it will not last long.
You don't anger the internet.
THIS
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Yoorah wrote on 2011-11-19 19:37
I'll agree with Sekwaf here. I don't like the popular attitude people are taking in their stance on this issue; I think it's kind of stupid on their part. The fact of the matter is that those who produce goods should have the right to protection against theft. And it is the government's responsibility to ensure there are effective laws to support this, be it the online kind of theft or offline kind. Current laws are ineffective, so they have to be strengthened.
People are talking about how they have the right to free speech and be censorship-free, etc.. but like any other right, when it is abused, it can be taken away. If people don't want to erode the free speech nature of the 'net, they need to stop pirating stuff. Just like with many other things in life, you can't have it both ways. Sadly, even if you understand and abide by this, there will be tons of idiots who will not. So blame them, rather than the government, the next time new "bad" laws are implemented.
Being a network engineer, I'm no fan of the DNS blacklisting portion of the bill. But really, in the end, if you think this is bad, then you're not realizing that this is merely a baby step. There are many new proposals being thought up right now about how to make people on the net more accountable. At the rate things are going, anonymity on the net may just not last very long. If done right, it may for the most part that just be a good thing.
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MareneCorp wrote on 2011-11-19 19:42
Quote from Yoorah;665641:
I'll agree with Sekwaf here. I don't like the popular attitude people are taking in their stance on this issue; I think it's kind of stupid on their part. The fact of the matter is that those who produce goods should have the right to protection against theft. And it is the government's responsibility to ensure there are effective laws to support this, be it the online kind of theft or offline kind. Current laws are ineffective, so they have to be strengthened.
People are talking about how they have the right to free speech and be censorship-free, etc.. but like any other right, when it is abused, it can be taken away. If people don't want to erode the free speech nature of the 'net, they need to stop pirating stuff. Just like with many other things in life, you can't have it both ways. Sadly, even if you understand and abide by this, there will be tons of idiots who will not. So blame them, rather than the government, the next time new "bad" laws are implemented.
Being a network engineer, I'm no fan of the DNS blacklisting portion of the bill. But really, in the end, if you think this is bad, then you're not realizing that this is merely a baby step. There are many new proposals being thought up right now about how to make people on the net more accountable. At the rate things are going, anonymity on the net may just not last very long. If done right, it may for the most part that just be a good thing.
And if done wrong? People can abuse this act, saying simply that any site hosting a random advertisement should be banned, and it will get taken down. People pay money to keep sites up, and when this bill makes blocking sites "a click away", you can expect A LOT more job loss. And as if America isn't already in a deep enough depression.
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Yoorah wrote on 2011-11-19 20:14
It's not as simple as being a click away, even though that's what this dumb populist movement is getting people to think. Besides, technical issues with the bill itself are much easier to adjust, so it's really not a big deal either way.
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Osayidan wrote on 2011-11-19 20:16
Hosting pirated content, and especially distributing said hosted content is one thing. That's the same as some pawn shop guy buying hot goods and selling it off. Illegal, yes. Do I care or object to it? no. The latter doesn't matter since it's an opinion.
The problem with this is the threat to anonymity, and the threat to all websites, especially ones with user generated content.
Even here for example, if someone linked to piratebay or something like that, with this bill they could block the website, and since it's currently hosted in the US, they'd likely be able to shut it down too, to go even further, since it's a .com the US has jurisdiction over it and can hijack the domain and redirect it to one of those government logo things.
If I understood it right they can even go a step further and block the site because it links to another website and on that other website there's a link to yet another website which does contain pirated material.
There's two sides to the problem when it comes to piracy though. Many content creators treat the market like it was pre-internet, and most of the laws assume that as well.
We're in 2011 and things will only get more and more digitally distributed. It's a nightmare to content creators because they can't control it. That's what pisses them off. They want full control over it just like they did before people could copy things with the click of a button. They're living in the past and they need to stop. People don't want a shelf with 500 DVDs on it because they know they don't need to.
I haven't pirated a game since I started using Steam. It's digital, stored on my computer, linked to my account, and I don't need to worry about a physical copy taking up room, getting damaged or lost. Now if a game comes along that I want to play but is not available on steam? I'm going to pirate it. Why? It's not being distributed the way I want it to be. This is what I mean about content creators living in the past. There are many ways for them to distribute their content in ways where people will want to pay for it because of convenience.
Look at netflix for example, if they had all the content I wanted to watch and at the time I wanted to watch it, I wouldn't be pirating any of it. Instead I cancelled my subscription because 1) Canadian netflix has a very poor selection compared to the US version and 2) it wasn't getting what I wanted. What do I do instead? Find it illegally streaming or on piratebay. Similar situation for anime and manga, it's foreign content, often not available here, or if it is available here it's modified in ways I find unacceptable (bad subs or only available in dub, censorship, Americanization and so on), so I have no other alternatives.
I can't say this is the case for everyone out there. I'm sure some people pirate just because it's free and they don't give a ****. There's also the fact that younger and younger people have access to the web. People so young have no money, no paypal, no credit cards. They can't buy stuff even if they wanted to so they pirate it. However there is a lot of people who pirate only because the content they want is not available to them in ways that they are willing to pay for it. That doesn't make it legal, but fixing that would solve the problem while earning the content creators more revenue, rather than making the people just not get the content at all. What's happening now is just hurting the content creators more, because instead of pirating something, and talking about it giving free publicity, people will not pirate it, but also not buy it. There isn't more money going into their pockets. Whereas getting with the times and distributing your content in ways people actually want, profits will rise rapidly.
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Ninjam wrote on 2011-11-19 20:31
I somewhat want to see what will happen if this does pass. I really hope it doesn't, but i want to know how people would take it. Im fairly sure there will be a very very angry uprising.
From what i can see, it passing means that the government is completely corrupt, controlled only by large companies with no input from the public. I know no one that supports this act. If it passes something is seriously wrong.