On Trolling

• Tomates wrote on 2010-06-22 17:59

  Quote from Byte;72264:

  
  Well, I myself have Eastern and Central covered, due to it's a one hour difference, and I'm up most the day. You can have mods in different timezones, but you don't need one in each. I suggest going through moderators and find out which ones are inactive, see if they're still able to do their job, and if not, replace them... eventually.

  
  Thats true, finding the inactive ones. However with Mabinogi just opening in Europe i have a feeling that we may be seeing more Europeans on the site. They have about a 6 hour difference?
• Everwanderer wrote on 2010-06-22 18:02

  Quote from Chocklitshop;72265:

  But then the trolls would moved to another section D:!

  
  
  Some would, then they'd be ignored in the mabi related sections and would probably get bored from the everything else section pretty soon. Then they'd leave~
• Chockeh wrote on 2010-06-22 18:06
  Maybe, but I don't like the idea of removing /b/...
• Byte wrote on 2010-06-22 18:07

  Quote from Tomates;72266:

  Thats true, finding the inactive ones. However with Mabinogi just opening in Europe i have a feeling that we may be seeing more Europeans on the site. They have about a 6 hour difference?

  
  
  Cool thing about my schedule, I'm on when they are, I play with tons of Europeans on many games. When I get up it's when their prime is, [about 1-3pm] and when I get off they're just waking up. Though there is that morning gap where a European moderator would be excellent.
• Zephyri wrote on 2010-06-22 18:09

  Quote from Chocklitshop;72272:

  Maybe, but I don't like the idea of removing /b/...

  
  
  Please, lets stop calling it that. Unfortunately, the real /b/ has been a source of many of our problems lately. We need to kill that association ASAP.
• Chockeh wrote on 2010-06-22 18:12
  Also, I think all mods should have access to the spam forums owo.
• Tomates wrote on 2010-06-22 18:14
  wait whats /b/? I know its some 4chan term but whats the significance of it here?
• Chockeh wrote on 2010-06-22 18:15
  Spam forums use to be called ma/b/inogi o-o.
• Tomates wrote on 2010-06-22 18:17
  well then...now i know : D
• Hiccup wrote on 2010-06-22 18:55
  I MISSED IT!?!!? All the exciting stuff happens when I'm sleeping QQ
• Tomates wrote on 2010-06-22 19:00

  Quote from bradstrt;72308:

  I MISSED IT!?!!? All the exciting stuff happens when I'm sleeping QQ

  
  same :(
• Kraken wrote on 2010-06-22 20:19
  Yay, I can actually be helpful for once, because I have expertise in this area.
  
  Something that needs to be understood about trolls is that there are many methods of trolling.
  
  One of them, which seems to be what's common here, is the overly antagonistic troll. These trolls blatantly insult and degrade others. Best way to avoid these is simply don't respond to their insults, despite how tempting it is. This type of troll usually has a friend who's an established member that feeds them info, or is an established member on another account using either a web proxy or a neighbor's connection.
  
  Another type, which is usually worse in the long run, is the "play dumb" troll. These trolls stir up controversy and claim it was accidental/they didn't know it was against the rules. These types like to pretend they don't know much about internet culture, and use it to aggravate people. Simply play along with these ones, ignore their insults and correct any spelling mistakes they might make despite how blatantly intentional they seem.
  
  The ones that tend to stick around longest are the within-the-rules trolls. As what I called them suggests, their lulz-gaining methods are always within the forum's rules, allowing them to anger people while not being banned, which would put an end to their trolling spree. Not much can be done about these, just ignore them until they do something ban-worthy, then you don't have to worry about the unless they're desperate enough to make more accounts.
  
  discrimination trolls are common as well. These trolls claim to be members of hate groups (The KKK, etc. etc.) and target only people of the race/sexual orientation/group/etc. that they dislike. You don't really have to worry about these because anti-racism/anti-discrimination rules will get these banned before they can cause too much harm.
  
  The last type I feel like typing about is the "You're anti-(group here)" troll. These trolls have an interesting way of making people angry. They pretend to be furry/etc., and claim that innocent posts are somehow insulting to them because they somehow insult the group the troll pretends to be in. If someone makes a post that might be unfavorable to one of these trolls (such as in a debate), the troll will claim that the argument against theirs only exists because the person hates the group the troll falls under, and try to use the rules as a weapon to get innocent members banned. Only way to really deal with these is to simply ignore them.
  
  So yeah. Follow the advice in this overly-detailed post of mine and the trolling problems here should stop. Edit this list of mine and incorporate it in a sticky and the problem might pretty much fully stop except for the occasional persistent pest.
• Kyouriharu wrote on 2010-06-22 20:24
  Kraken is a pro troll. srs
• Byte wrote on 2010-06-22 20:26

  Quote from Kraken;72436:

  Yay, I can actually be helpful for once, because I have expertise in this area.
  
  Something that needs to be understood about trolls is that there are many methods of trolling.
  
  One of them, which seems to be what's common here, is the overly antagonistic troll. These trolls blatantly insult and degrade others. Best way to avoid these is simply don't respond to their insults, despite how tempting it is. This type of troll usually has a friend who's an established member that feeds them info, or is an established member on another account using either a web proxy or a neighbor's connection.
  
  Another type, which is usually worse in the long run, is the "play dumb" troll. These trolls stir up controversy and claim it was accidental/they didn't know it was against the rules. These types like to pretend they don't know much about internet culture, and use it to aggravate people. Simply play along with these ones, ignore their insults and correct any spelling mistakes they might make despite how blatantly intentional they seem.
  
  The ones that tend to stick around longest are the within-the-rules trolls. As what I called them suggests, their lulz-gaining methods are always within the forum's rules, allowing them to anger people while not being banned, which would put an end to their trolling spree. Not much can be done about these, just ignore them until they do something ban-worthy, then you don't have to worry about the unless they're desperate enough to make more accounts.
  
  discrimination trolls are common as well. These trolls claim to be members of hate groups (The KKK, etc. etc.) and target only people of the race/sexual orientation/group/etc. that they dislike. You don't really have to worry about these because anti-racism/anti-discrimination rules will get these banned before they can cause too much harm.
  
  The last type I feel like typing about is the "You're anti-(group here)" troll. These trolls have an interesting way of making people angry. They pretend to be furry/etc., and claim that innocent posts are somehow insulting to them because they somehow insult the group the troll pretends to be in. If someone makes a post that might be unfavorable to one of these trolls (such as in a debate), the troll will claim that the argument against theirs only exists because the person hates the group the troll falls under, and try to use the rules as a weapon to get innocent members banned. Only way to really deal with these is to simply ignore them.
  
  So yeah. Follow the advice in this overly-detailed post of mine and the trolling problems here should stop. Edit this list of mine and incorporate it in a sticky and the problem might pretty much fully stop except for the occasional persistent pest.

  
  
  Now, the first one I see as a perfect description but, sometimes the others are how they do things on the internet. Now, by your definitions couldn't you be trolling?
  
  The bad thing about "Web 2.0" is people realize how easily they can get around things. Social-engineering for laughs is what "Trolls" are.
• Kraken wrote on 2010-06-22 20:46

  Quote from Byte;72442:

  Now, the first one I see as a perfect description but, sometimes the others are how they do things on the internet. Now, by your definitions couldn't you be trolling?
  
  The bad thing about "Web 2.0" is people realize how easily they can get around things. Social-engineering for laughs is what "Trolls" are.

  
  
  Well, something I failed to point out is that sometimes, there are innocent members that resemble trolls. For instance, some people truly don't know internet culture and etiquette. How do you tell the trolls from the real ones? Simple. People who truly don't know about internet etiquette are willing to learn. A troll who pretends will refuse to learn so they can keep the act up. A technique that works is to teach them what they did wrong instead of taking their bait, because:
  
  1: If it's a legit newbie they'll appreciate the advice and...
  
  2: If it's a troll, they'll be upset because you didn't take their bait.
  
  As for the other types, some of the same holds true: Trolls generally persist, while legit members can learn what they're doing wrong. Part of what a troll does is tries to reverse the established member-newbie roles by forcing their ways onto the forum while trying to force the established members to change to suit them.