Kay The Archer (Skills updated!)

• Oizen wrote on 2012-01-06 08:53

  Quote from Conor;723491:

  ^NO!

  
  
  Your Aura skill sucks, Stam > SP. (Hell we all have Fatigue anyway)
  
  Your 2nd attack skill also sucks, at least Fissure stuns.
  
  DK FTW.
• foreignreign wrote on 2012-01-06 09:57

  Quote from OizenX;724728:

  Your Aura skill sucks, Stam > SP. (Hell we all have Fatigue anyway)
  
  Your 2nd attack skill also sucks, at least Fissure stuns.
  
  DK FTW.

  
  
  The extra stamina is over rated in a lot of cases tbh. Useless for a staff Evie since it takes a god awful amount of time to regen stamina (in comparison to the melees) so you're rarely gonna just blast your stamina down to 0 then wait the whole period to get it back up to 300+.
  
  Sword Fiona suffers kinda similarly, although obviously has the stamina regen to pick up the extra 150 quicker but... you still probably won't bother to regen it all. Unless you're silly like me and just spam Slashing High Ivy Sweep. But even then I don't even get my Paladin's stamina to 0 with Ivy Sweep spam. Same goes for Karok, minus Slashing High.
  
  Spear Lann, it's great, yes.
  
  Hammer Fiona, it's decent. Slashing High abuse, although that 150 stamina isn't much if you're spinning. Gives you ~5 more spins.
  
  Sword Lann, meh, OK I guess. Depends on if you use Slashing Highs over F7 with your SP. Similar scenario to Sword Fiona.
  
  Scythe Evie doesn't need extra stamina thanks to Insane Reaper. And yes, Scythe Evies should be using Insane Reaper except in the rare scenario of RG chaining something like Colru (and even then... it's easy to get SP for Insane Reaper while throwing an RG or two out).
  
  So at best it's great for like, 3 weapon-types. At worst it's... great for 3 weapon-types.
  
  And Conviction can save you from some cheap things. Thor walling you off and doing his AoE shock, one of Colru's storms, Glas death slamming someone, etc. And it doesn't even have to be the shield part necessarily, since casting Conviction gives invincibility frames. I mean, yeah, Fissure is a good skill and I do like it on my Evie but I'm not entirely sure I would ever take Fissure over Conviction on my Fiona since Conviction gives me more super armor to go spam Ivy Sweep or Butterfly Swings with.
• Oizen wrote on 2012-01-06 13:51

  Quote from foreignreign;724760:

  The extra stamina is over rated in a lot of cases tbh. Useless for a staff Evie since it takes a god awful amount of time to regen stamina (in comparison to the melees) so you're rarely gonna just blast your stamina down to 0 then wait the whole period to get it back up to 300+.
  
  Sword Fiona suffers kinda similarly, although obviously has the stamina regen to pick up the extra 150 quicker but... you still probably won't bother to regen it all. Unless you're silly like me and just spam Slashing High Ivy Sweep. But even then I don't even get my Paladin's stamina to 0 with Ivy Sweep spam. Same goes for Karok, minus Slashing High.
  
  Spear Lann, it's great, yes.
  
  Hammer Fiona, it's decent. Slashing High abuse, although that 150 stamina isn't much if you're spinning. Gives you ~5 more spins.
  
  Sword Lann, meh, OK I guess. Depends on if you use Slashing Highs over F7 with your SP. Similar scenario to Sword Fiona.
  
  Scythe Evie doesn't need extra stamina thanks to Insane Reaper. And yes, Scythe Evies should be using Insane Reaper except in the rare scenario of RG chaining something like Colru (and even then... it's easy to get SP for Insane Reaper while throwing an RG or two out).
  
  So at best it's great for like, 3 weapon-types. At worst it's... great for 3 weapon-types.
  
  And Conviction can save you from some cheap things. Thor walling you off and doing his AoE shock, one of Colru's storms, Glas death slamming someone, etc. And it doesn't even have to be the shield part necessarily, since casting Conviction gives invincibility frames. I mean, yeah, Fissure is a good skill and I do like it on my Evie but I'm not entirely sure I would ever take Fissure over Conviction on my Fiona since Conviction gives me more super armor to go spam Ivy Sweep or Butterfly Swings with.

  
  
  First off, no.
  just no.
  
  The stamina in every instance is better than the alternative little amount of SP every few seconds.
  
  And fissure can save you too. You just stun the enemy instead of deflect it, but hey, stunning something so the entire party can go attack it is way better than just defending yourself. :>
• Invertex wrote on 2012-01-06 14:31

  Quote from OizenX;724899:

  First off, no.
  just no.
  
  The stamina in every instance is better than the alternative little amount of SP every few seconds.
  
  And fissure can save you too. You just stun the enemy instead of deflect it, but hey, stunning something so the entire party can go attack it is way better than just defending yourself. :>

  
  
  Fissure doesn't interupt the move. Ever seen Ice Spear in middle of Thor's charge move? Fissure has the same effect.
  
  If anything, a bad fissure won't do much of anything. It can even throw people off when Colru does his unblockable. Also Fissure's stun time is fairly low, and it's about half of what a full Ice Spear freeze does. If we call Conviction a weaker version of Mana Shield, then Fissure is essentially a weaker version of Ice Spear. This arguement is very similar to those about Reverse Gravity, so I won't go into that too much.
  
  While I do personally agree that Fissure is an overall better skill, their uses are entirely different. Offensive tools just currently have so many benefits, that a defensive oriented tool is considered outclassed.
  
  
  Auras, while I also agree that I like Stamina more as a personal thing, I have to disagree with you as well. The two most "overpowered" things currently are Def stacked Spear Lanns and Hammer Fionas. They both get maximum DPS with Slashing High active (though Spear Lann doesn't need it). Without DK Aura, in Pally, I can easily make all the SP I need to enter Slashing High without running out of stamina. Slashing High is just infinite stamina, so when you're constantly stringing them together, it doesn't matter if you have 200 Stam or 400 Stam.
  
  Also don't forget, it's an aura. You're also able to give all the Staff Evies (who have a somewhat harder time building SP for RG) a free fifth of a SP bar. Sure you could argue you give everyone in your party a free 150 Stamina, but the aura buff for allies doesn't instantly fill their Stamina to full, meaning you get the bad situation of needing to sit around for quite a while to get all the extra stamina back (by which time, the buff probably has wore off and is reapplied, losing you all that stamina)
  
  Again, I still like Stamina more. I just don't feel it's "better in every instance".
• JinNJuice wrote on 2012-01-06 18:22
  Can we talk about Kai here? Anyways...
  
  SEXY
• SakuraFarron wrote on 2012-01-06 18:51

  Quote from JinNJuice;725093:

  Can we talk about Kai here? Anyways...
  
  SEXY

  
  
  Very sexy!

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• foreignreign wrote on 2012-01-06 19:44

  Quote from OizenX;724899:

  And fissure can save you too. You just stun the enemy instead of deflect it, but hey, stunning something so the entire party can go attack it is way better than just defending yourself. :>

  
  
  Fissure can also kill people when an idiot decides to use it on Colru when he's about to orb storm.
• Conor wrote on 2012-01-06 19:45

  Quote from OizenX;724899:

  First off, no.
  just no.
  
  The stamina in every instance is better than the alternative little amount of SP every few seconds.
  
  And fissure can save you too. You just stun the enemy instead of deflect it, but hey, stunning something so the entire party can go attack it is way better than just defending yourself. :>

  
  
  As a staffie, I agree with foreignreign. The stamina buff does nothing for me; It'd be pointless for me to wait for full stam with the buff because by the time I fully regain, the buff is gone :( Fissure is OK. It does more damage than conviction, but like Invertex said, it's not different from Ice Spear's stun ability--it's gotta be timed right or it being stunned will **** up all the meleers that go up to hit it lmao. I like conviction better regardless of it not protecting me due to mana shields 'cause I can use it as a safeguard for if ever my mana shields deplete, or just as an invincibility frame for unblockables!
• SakuraFarron wrote on 2012-01-06 22:33
  Astroboy1928:
  

  First hand info.
  
  Kai Skill:
  Arrow Storm
  Head shot
  Multi-Sniping
  Dual Link 듀얼링크
  Mount
  Low Kick
  Spin Kick
  Multi Shot
  Bow Mastery
  Wire Avoid 와이어회피 ( dodge using the wire/chains ? )
  Magnum Shot
  Sudden Flinch 보우스트레인
  Bow Strain
  
  just can't tell what they are by looking at the names
  bow strain is probably sth similiar to Evie's Focus , I guess
  I just wonder why he has some close combat skills like spin kick, low kick 0.o

• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-01-06 22:38

  Quote from SakuraFarron;725363:

  Astroboy1928:

  
  
  Answering Astro's question, I would think those skills would be VERY weak, otherwise Kai wouldn't be balanced. Unless, of course, Nexon wants their servers to be full of Kais running around topless and soloing things in 5 minutes. THEN, by all means they can go ahead. Their game.
  
  Lol.
• SakuraFarron wrote on 2012-01-06 22:39

  Quote from MareneCorp;725366:

  Answering Astro's question, I would think those skills would be VERY weak, otherwise Kai wouldn't be balanced. Unless, of course, Nexon wants their servers to be full of Kais running around topless and soloing things in 5 minutes. THEN, by all means they can go ahead. Their game.
  
  Lol.

  
  
  Topless!!

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• Conor wrote on 2012-01-06 22:48
  Omfg i was hoping he'd get kick moves. Evenif they're just for trashmobs/distancing from enemies
• Invertex wrote on 2012-01-06 23:02
  Wire avoid is probably the grapple dodge. Sounds about right.
• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-01-07 01:41
  Was there like, a test server thing for Kai today? If there was, has anyone tried it?
  :what:
• Randomcheese wrote on 2012-01-07 02:52

  Quote from MareneCorp;725539:

  Was there like, a test server thing for Kai today? If there was, has anyone tried it?
  :what:

  
  
  If I can get a Korean VPN then yes I could play it, but 10 bucks a month nty.