Reason's Not to Donate to Salvation Army.

• Cynic wrote on 2011-12-26 05:09

  Quote from Zid;706605:

  That isn't any different from many people, especially those who have the "excess" wealth, but refuse to share it in the name of charity.
  
  If you find similarities with this and Mengele, then Mengele is like a lot of us who don't care to donate, but keep the money to ourselves for our own satisfaction or higher cause (family, friends, etc.).
  
  These same people are denying the poor people because of their own perceived importance and their own belief of distribution.
  
  For example: http://dokmul.tumblr.com/post/14789300266/anakhunda-o-tabibaum-santaecclaus-wow
  
  And I don't know which one of them are Christians or not.

  
  
  I'm not saying that non-religious people who are greedy and selfish are any less bad, because they aren't. But saying Salvation Army is exempt from judgment just because they help a few people they deem worthy? That's disgustingly warped logic.
  
  Anyone who has the means to help someone but chooses not to out of their own selfishness deserves to be judged. Religious or not.
  The only reason others were not mentioned was because of the original topic of this post.
• Zid wrote on 2011-12-26 05:18

  Quote from Cynic;706614:

  I'm not saying that non-religious people who are greedy and selfish are any less bad, because they aren't. But saying Salvation Army is exempt from judgment just because they help a few people they deem worthy? That's disgustingly warped logic.
  
  Anyone who has the means to help someone but chooses not to out of their own selfishness deserves to be judged. Religious or not.
  The only reason others were not mentioned was because of the original topic of this post.

  
  
  I'm also not saying I don't support their discrimination. In fact, I also want to reiterate this sentence from the article:
  
  

  [SIZE="4"]But we can do better.[/SIZE]

  
  
  I thought it was also horrible the Salvation Army is discarding donations they don't like.
  
  I'm just pointing out it's illogical to stop helping, or judging in the extreme (read: comparison to Mengele), Person A helping Person B, just because Person A doesn't like Person C, who is similar to Person B in troubles, but differs in one thing that Person A doesn't like. This is especially emphasized if Person A doesn't even try to help others in trouble in the first place.
  
  In the end, who really loses if you are being like so? Person B, who is in trouble, obviously.
  
  But like I said, donate to whichever charity organization one wants, since it's not the law. Or actually start one with philosophies one deems "better" than another.
• Cynic wrote on 2011-12-26 05:33

  Quote from Zid;706628:

  I'm also not saying I don't support their discrimination. In fact, I also want to reiterate this sentence from the article:
  
  
  
  I thought it was also horrible the Salvation Army is discarding donations they don't like.
  
  I'm just pointing out it's illogical to stop helping, or judging in the extreme (read: comparison to Mengele), Person A helping Person B, just because Person A doesn't like Person C, who is similar to Person B in troubles, but differs in one thing that Person A doesn't like. This is especially emphasized if Person A doesn't even try to help others in trouble in the first place.
  
  In the end, who really loses if you are being like so? Person B, who is in trouble, obviously.
  
  But like I said, donate to whichever charity organization one wants, since it's not the law. Or actually start one with philosophies one deems "better" than another.

  
  
  I think it sucks that there isn't much else you can do to get around it in terms of helping people. It's horrible to let people suffer just because the SA discriminates, as that would make us almost as bad as them.
  
  The only way to deal with it is to get them to reform, and/or find a loop in which you can still donate to everyone in need, but without worrying about the money falling into the wrong distributers hands.
  
  ..Which sadly, is probably near impossible without enough help. Once I have money to spare, though, I will give every single cent I can to any organization that I know can help. I don't really care if I have to go up to the organizations myself and hand out things just to make sure EVERYONE gets something.
  
  My only issue is when people say "Oh, well there's no changing it so you may as-well go along with it". No. You should do what you can to change it, and if you can't, try your damned hardest regardless. Ceasing donation to them is.. yeah, a double-sided coin, and I wouldn't suggest it, but at-least in the meantime try and do SOMETHING to change it. So that your donation doesn't go to waste in terms of you supporting what these assholes are doing.
  
  /end rant.
• lightychan wrote on 2011-12-26 07:55
  :x
  Daw... more Christians in the extreme route... it makes me sad... As a Christian, we believe that giving is one of the most important things we are to do... and when I see this kind of news, I become very sad because my fellow Christians aren't loving other people for what they are...
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2011-12-26 14:41
  I recently bought two used books by de Sade from an organisation that funds charity with selling second-hand material. Now that's proper neutrality.
• Akemii wrote on 2011-12-26 15:09

  Quote from Micho;706479:

  
  If they knew you were bisexual, do you really think they would have still offered you help? Based off this article, I can only imagine them denying you and your family needs if they found out you weren't straight.

  
  
  I'll be honest, the people working at the truck were very nice. I don't think they'd care.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-12-26 15:27

  Quote from Zid;706527:

  It's discriminatory, yes. One could also look at it this way: be biased in helping people, or not helping any people at all?
  
  I'm not supporting discrimination, but this is charity, not law. The fact that they're actually helping at least one group of people of their choice, is better than nothing.
  
  Like the article said, if you don't like it, make sure your donations go into the hands of other people that cater to your interests.

  
  
  
  When you take a look at that charity group, what you are told is "All Salvation Army social welfare services are provided on a non-discriminatory basis; such services shall be equally available to all persons on the basis of need and capacity to benefit from the service."
  
  It's difficult to find the truth yourself when the truth is hidden by lies.
  
  People who don't have the means to find the true can only trust or doubt what they hear. If you were to doubt all, you wouldn't donate to those charity and instead donate to individuals you personally think/know are in need. If you were to trust them(like most people do in reality) you end up helping an organisation that may or may not throw dirt and mud on your belief and value, depending on what those are to you. All this Because they aren't telling you the truth.
  
  The saying that do it equally is just sugar coated words to lure Everyone careless of background to donate to help anyone. In reality they only will help those who hold similar values/belief than themselves.
  
  Please note that I am referring to them as a "group" and not as individuals, I do not ignore that some may be really doing it to help others equally, and some might even be lied to to have their cooperation within the group. It is the group itself that is the problem and need to be fixed.(And of course a bunch of people Inside the group)
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2011-12-26 15:28

  Quote from Akemii;706953:

  I'll be honest, the people working at the truck were very nice. I don't think they'd care.

  
  You'd be quite surprised to find out what kind of things even nice people can care about.
• Micho wrote on 2011-12-26 17:47

  Quote from Akemii;706953:

  I'll be honest, the people working at the truck were very nice. I don't think they'd care.

  
  
  If a person is nice, that doesn't mean that they won't judge you once they find out you're not: a) A Christian b) Straight. I'm not saying all will shun you service but, if they find out how you are bisexual instead of straight they might not be so very nice any more to you.
  
  

  Quote from Chiyuri;706959:

  When you take a look at that charity group, what you are told is "All Salvation Army social welfare services are provided on a non-discriminatory basis; such services shall be equally available to all persons on the basis of need and capacity to benefit from the service."
  
  It's difficult to find the truth yourself when the truth is hidden by lies.
  
  People who don't have the means to find the true can only trust or doubt what they hear. If you were to doubt all, you wouldn't donate to those charity and instead donate to individuals you personally think/know are in need. If you were to trust them(like most people do in reality) you end up helping an organisation that may or may not throw dirt and mud on your belief and value, depending on what those are to you. All this Because they aren't telling you the truth.
  
  The saying that do it equally is just sugar coated words to lure Everyone careless of background to donate to help anyone. In reality they only will help those who hold similar values/belief than themselves.
  
  Please note that I am referring to them as a "group" and not as individuals, I do not ignore that some may be really doing it to help others equally, and some might even be lied to to have their cooperation within the group. It is the group itself that is the problem and need to be fixed.(And of course a bunch of people Inside the group)

  
  
  Exactly, this. Do you research on these charity organizations before donating, my school had to find out the hard way when they got basically scammed.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2011-12-26 17:52

  Quote from Akemii;706953:

  I'll be honest, the people working at the truck were very nice. I don't think they'd care.

  
  
  that's what all Christians are like if they don't know you're this and that
  they assume everyone is "normal"
• Sayoko wrote on 2011-12-26 22:34
  Most people donate clothes though, not twilight books -.-
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2011-12-26 23:16
  This is an outrage. Gay magazines are absolutely critical to the survival and well being of people of lower socio-economic status. I'll never look at those Salvation Army bell ringers the same way again. The Salvation Army really got their priorities wrong this time! I mean, what right does a private organization have to decide what kind of stuff they give out!