If Vindictus were a bit more like Mabinogi...

• Oizen wrote on 2012-01-03 22:30

  Quote from Skye;719150:

  I think it'd work well with every character. I just used Evie as an example because I play an Evie.

  
  Swords and Spears are really a matter of preference. They do nothing differently in the end.
  Fiona's weapons are the exact same.
  Karok only has one weapon at the moment.
  
  ?
• Skye wrote on 2012-01-03 22:34

  Quote from OizenX;720567:

  Swords and Spears are really a matter of preference. They do nothing differently in the end.
  Fiona's weapons are the exact same.
  Karok only has one weapon at the moment.
  
  ?

  
  
  No they aren't...swords do crap damage but are much much faster than hammers.
  Hammers do wonderful damage but are very slow.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-01-03 22:46

  Quote from OizenX;720567:

  Swords and Spears are really a matter of preference. They do nothing differently in the end.
  Fiona's weapons are the exact same.
  Karok only has one weapon at the moment.
  
  ?

  
  Spears do more damage than swords and have super armor, but lack slip dash.
  Hammers are just flat out better than swords.
  Nothing I can say about the last thing.
• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-01-03 23:09

  Quote from Skye;720560:

  Oh my god, I never even thought of that.

  
  
  Dunno if this was mentioned before, but Fury infuse, then switch to swords for a crit almost every hit. Glding fury+Lightning fury spamming for nearly 15 seconds.
• kiells wrote on 2012-01-04 00:53

  Quote from MareneCorp;720627:

  Dunno if this was mentioned before, but Fury infuse, then switch to swords for a crit almost every hit. Glding fury+Lightning fury spamming for nearly 15 seconds.

  
  
  Just pure awesome ._.
  GF->LF and F7 in between. Yum.
  (Just as a note,I'd love to be a sword lann who would get to say "f u" to dodging. I go in with pure invincibility frames)
• Oizen wrote on 2012-01-04 08:20

  Quote from Skye;720573:

  No they aren't...swords do crap damage but are much much faster than hammers.
  Hammers do wonderful damage but are very slow.

  
  
  Their attacks are the same. Which would just lead to one not being better than the other for "trash mobs"
  
  My point is, Scythe Evie to Staff Evie is more diverse than any other Classes's alternate weapon, when you break it down, all of them are just different ways to melee.
  
  While Evie gets the ability to shoot from a distance and Melee. So no, this is a crap idea.
• whocares8128 wrote on 2012-01-04 15:15
  Is Evie the only mercenary to have different SP options (depending on which weapon is equipped) currently, or is Beserk weapon-dependent? I know there's no difference in Fiona's SP skills based on her weapon. (And yeah, I know Karok will have different SP skills unique to his Blaster, when that comes out. I don't know much of anything about Kay/Kai though.)
• Skye wrote on 2012-01-04 19:02

  Quote from OizenX;721562:

  Their attacks are the same. Which would just lead to one not being better than the other for "trash mobs"
  
  My point is, Scythe Evie to Staff Evie is more diverse than any other Classes's alternate weapon, when you break it down, all of them are just different ways to melee.
  
  While Evie gets the ability to shoot from a distance and Melee. So no, this is a crap idea.

  
  
  lol No, they aren't.
  I see your Evie point though.
• Invertex wrote on 2012-01-04 19:48

  Quote from Skye;722044:

  lol No, they aren't.
  I see your Evie point though.

  
  
  Their attacks are actually quite easily related to each other. With the only problem being that Hammer gets nice benefits on nearly every smash.
  
  
  Rose Thorns and Honeybee Sting are identical, and the only benefit is that Petal Toss is a lot faster.
  
  Petal Toss and Crushing Arc are identical as well, with Petal Toss being somewhat faster.
  
  Blossom Blow and Orchid Strike are the first skills that aren't functional copies, but Orchid is very limited in use due to how good Crushing Arc and Butterfly are above and below this move. Blossom is usable, with the 2 hits and then HSGC after. But Blossom is only usable due to how bad Ivy Sweep is (and thus how much longer it takes to get Amaranth).
  
  Ivy Sweep and Butterfly Swing are the next that aren't similar. Their only similarity is that they involve spinning. With Ivy Sweep just being a relatively inferior move with how long it takes, losing out to Amaranth in nearly every situation. Butterfly meanwhile has the repeated swings (Slashing High spin2win) and a very low stamina cost (9) for the first swing. It's precentile pretty much matches Amaranth's.
  
  Amaranth Kick and Stigma Hammer are the last two, and they're only different due to one thing. That one thing is that Butterfly is a lot closer to Amaranth then it is to Ivy Sweep, with their damages being equal and their speed being equal as well. It's also worth noting that you can HSGC both of those. Stigma ends up being just an extra move that fills in another role. It's pretty much an usable version of Petal Toss/Honeybee, but with the requirement of 4 swings and the ability to HSGC.
  
  So in short.
  Honeybee = Rose Thorns = Relatively useless
  Petal Toss = Crushing Arc = Very useful (primary tool for damage for both weapons, especially solo)
  Blossom > Orchid = Not very useful
  Butterfly >>> Ivy Sweep
  Butterfly = Amaranth = Very useful
  Stigma = Extra that has some use
  
  Which pretty much means that their play is very similar, with the only distinction being that Hammer is much more powerful. Swords simply are inferior besides for the fact that you can HSGC moves a bit sooner (and if you know what you're doing, that won't be necesary).
  
  Also, on this topic. Small Shields nearly never get used in areas where you're actually playing seriously. The only Raid that Small Shield even offers any significant benefit in is Colru, and that's at a huge risk. Large Shield > Small Shield in most practical applications, so don't bring it up.
  
  Edit
  Just to be clear on the purpose of that comparison. Fiona's moveset is very similar, while not identical. But it does lead to one being better in nearly every single way. If I was to put in more practice with Hammer, I could probably solo most Raids about 5-10 minutes faster. That's significant.