How are public libraries different from online piracy?

• Sayoko wrote on 2012-02-05 11:56
  Both seem to cause a "loss of potential revenue" for the media industry...
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2012-02-05 11:59
  Because sueing a library doesn't get you any money. Probably.
  
  I think a library has permission beforehand anyways.
• Yoorah wrote on 2012-02-06 01:32
  Because a library doesn't magically generate infinite copies of a given item, making it available to anyone, anywhere, for an indefinite period of time.
  Dunno if they have agreements on top of that or not.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-02-06 02:01

  Quote from Yoorah;764120:

  Because a library doesn't magically generate infinite copies of a given item, making it available to anyone, anywhere, for an indefinite period of time.
  Dunno if they have agreements on top of that or not.

  
  
  Nha it simply generate infinite copies of a given knowledge, making it available to anyone anywhere(that can access the librairy) for an indefinite period of time.
• Yoorah wrote on 2012-02-06 02:12
  That made little sense. :v
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2012-02-06 02:17

  Quote from Yoorah;764120:

  Because a library doesn't magically generate infinite copies of a given item, making it available to anyone, anywhere, for an indefinite period of time.
  Dunno if they have agreements on top of that or not.

  
  You don't need to generate infinite copies of an item to be used fr an infinite amount of time if you can just as well provide a finite amount of copies of an item to be used for a finite amount of time (which in praxis is the same as piracy works, if you look really hard), and they are made available to anyone who knows how to get there -which is not particularly hard-, and pirated items have the same restrictions.
  
  There are only two differences, and neither touch the nature of their service.
  
  Piracy is more centralised in the way that next to all consumers will draw on the exact same resource, uploaded by a certain hacker or team of hackers, whereas libraries are decentralised in the way that the consumers will have to draw on different resources depending on their location (the copy a library in Berlin might have is not the same as that found in London).
  
  The other is that, due to the nature of their proceedings, libraries work slower in providing the customers with the requested products, and such take far longer to reach the numbers of satisfied customers as piracy does. However, the products provided by piracy are usually requested for a much shorter period of time, and then decline heavily or completely vanish, so it will eventually even out to a reasonable degree.
• Yoorah wrote on 2012-02-06 02:36
  That's nitpicking. xd A simpler way to put it would be to say that libraries have restrictions and are far less convenient.
  
  There's also the arguments that are more on the moral side and less on the legal/economic side, such as the fact that libraries are more often used for good causes like education, whereas most piracy is done for greed and lust over unnecessary products. With libraries doing good in our society, they have more leeway in the debate regarding lost revenue for the publishers.
  
  Interestingly, the library here offers free music downloads (no DRM, too). They did have to pay for a license, though.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-02-06 02:48

  Quote from Yoorah;764177:

  That's nitpicking. xd A simpler way to put it would be to say that libraries have restrictions and are far less convenient.
  
  There's also the arguments that are more on the moral side and less on the legal/economic side, such as the fact that libraries are more often used for good causes like education, whereas most piracy is done for greed and lust over unnecessary products. With libraries doing good in our society, they have more leeway in the debate regarding lost revenue for the publishers.
  
  Interestingly, the library here offers free music downloads (no DRM, too). They did have to pay for a license, though.

  
  
  Human moral is subjective.
  
  The restrictions and the convenient really mean nothing in the end. That something is harder to get mean it's legit to get while something more convenient of the same thing should be illegal isn't much logic at all.
  
  That education is more important is just subjectivity. Not to mention I really doubt a lot of the books there are for education. Someone was even allowed to watch his porn in a library <.<
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2012-02-06 03:10

  Quote from Chiyuri;764193:

  Human moral is subjective.

  
  Which does not mean we can not enforce the wellbeing of the group (and/or its individual members as such) to be the highest good, which is the grounds we've been arguing on I think.
  
  But yes, a lot of the products found and requested in libraries probably aren't exactly scientific studies and philosophical critiques.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-02-06 03:26

  Quote from Sumpfkraut;764224:

  Which does not mean we can not enforce the wellbeing of the group (and/or its individual members as such) to be the highest good, which is the grounds we've been arguing on I think.
  
  But yes, a lot of the products found and requested in libraries probably aren't exactly scientific studies and philosophical critiques.

  
  
  For now all I see with all those anti-piracy acts is the enforcement of the wellbeing of compagnies. Not exactly people.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-02-06 03:26

  Quote from Sumpfkraut;764224:

  Which does not mean we can not enforce the wellbeing of the group (and/or its individual members as such) to be the highest good, which is the grounds we've been arguing on I think.
  
  But yes, a lot of the products found and requested in libraries probably aren't exactly scientific studies and philosophical critiques.

  
  
  For now all I see with all those anti-piracy acts is the enforcement of the wellbeing of compagnies. Not exactly people.
• Tatsu wrote on 2012-02-06 03:31
  I'm pretty sure that the literature business is way more lax about stealing and whatnot. I also think that books found in libraries are books that have already made their profit.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-02-06 04:11

  Quote from Tatsu;764247:

  I'm pretty sure that the literature business is way more lax about stealing and whatnot. I also think that books found in libraries are books that have already made their profit.

  
  
  Pirated stuff usually find their roots back to a product that was sold to someone who had a strong desire to share it with others.
• otto wrote on 2012-02-06 21:17
  Don't the libraries buy the books/movies/etc that are in their stock? So the companies get their money, right?
  People borrow them, but they eventually return them. And if you don't return something they make you pay for it, so you technically bought it even if the money only went to the library. It'd only be piracy if the library got the books in some illegal way and then sold them.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-02-06 21:22

  Quote from otto;765143:

  Don't the libraries buy the books/movies/etc that are in their stock? So the companies get their money, right?
  People borrow them, but they eventually return them. And if you don't return something they make you pay for it, so you technically bought it even if the money only went to the library.

  
  
  That's only if you don't return it. Most people usually try to return it, they don't choose to forget it and pay the fine if they can avoid it.
  It's really just Sharing Under Certain Circumstances.
  
  Even the piracy has it's own circumstances that need to be fulfilled. Like access to Internet, which people normally have to pay for..