Santorum says he doesn't believe in separation of church and state.

• Yoorah wrote on 2012-02-27 09:59

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;788320:

  Santorum's a phony

  
  But that's basically every politician's job. lol
  The only difference is whether they cater to your market or someone else's. Well, that, and whether or not they are genuine assholes (ie. Gingrich).
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-02-27 10:00
  Obama isn't much better. Its really sad.
  
  He didn't know how to set up the Wii that Biden gave him.
  He didn't know what the ACTA really was and signed it. It wasn't until Hilary, who is probably one of the only few politicians right now that understand how to use the internet, explained to him what ACTA really means that he even knew what he had done.
  
  Edit: scratch that. The guy who made SOPA and PIPA, Lamar Smith, probably knows plenty about the internet. There is no way for it to be a coincidence that he could come up with something so ridiculous without knowing it was a bill about government and corporate control rather than stopping piracy or child pornography.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-02-27 10:21

  Quote from Yoorah;788341:

  But that's basically every politician's job. lol
  The only difference is whether they cater to your market or someone else's. Well, that, and whether or not they are genuine assholes (ie. Gingrich).

  
  
  uh no.
  by phony, the cat meant that what he describes himself as and his proposed policies don't make sense
  It's not Christian to cut foodstamps while refusing to cut the defense budget that would be spent on Iran
  and his "fiscal conservative" plans will actually lead to a significant increase in debt because he refused to cut spending to make for the lower amount of money from less taxes
  If he said things differently, there would be at least 90% less jokes on the Internet about him
  Ron Paul's more of a fiscal conservative than Santorum
  [video=youtube;R99hCsAchDk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R99hCsAchDk[/video]
  and
  you would make a great neoconservative voter
  all you have to do is be American and 1 year away from death of old age
  
  

  Quote from The Hero Luka;788343:

  Obama isn't much better. Its really sad.
  
  He didn't know how to set up the Wii that Biden gave him.
  He didn't know what the ACTA really was and signed it. It wasn't until Hilary, who is probably one of the only few politicians right now that understand how to use the internet, explained to him what ACTA really means that he even knew what he had done.

  
  
  A lot of the big donations to Obama are the anti-piracy crowd
  if you donate millions to a candidate's campaign
  it's an investment and you'd expect something from the candidate if he wins
  
  to be honest, the whole thing on the government and Internet is out of our hands
  just hope nothing stupid is passed
  and be glad none of the Republicans are in that seat at the moment
• Yoorah wrote on 2012-02-27 10:57
  The cat needs to realize that what I said before still applies, and it applies universally. Politicians lie to sell themselves to the market they think they can best succeed in. Ads that sell any product are often misleading, and with politicians this is no different. If you take any specific thing that they promise too seriously, you're.. seriously doing it wrong. D:
  
  That video is a dumb example. No Child Left Behind might have looked like a good thing back when it was being planned, but it didn't turn out that way, so he's willing to get rid of it. I don't see a problem with that. Obama wanted to get rid of it, too. At least this time you don't have a Republican who wants to block Obama on everything he tries to do? You can put a negative spin on basically anything.
  
  In Santorum's case (or almost any other Republican), everyone knows that "fiscal conservative" means cuts to welfare programs and lowering taxes with those savings. Defence spending on the other hand is generally bipartisan, but that's seen as an entirely separate issue--necessary spending that nobody wanted to cut for a long time because of the benefits it provided (whether the benefits are significant enough to justify the cost is debatable).
  
  But if you look at it from an overall economics point of view, again, pretty much all politicians fail pretty hard at it. It reminded me of an article I read some time ago: 2012 candidates slip on Econ 101
  
  

  NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Every 2012 contender attended college. They all graduated. They went to schools like the University of Pennsylvania, Columbia, Texas A&M, Morehouse, Penn State and Emory.
  
  But decades have passed since these Presidential candidates first stepped onto campus as freshmen. Is it time for an Econ 101 refresher course?
  
  America's Econ 101 professors say yes. In their view, the candidates continue to offer ideas and policies that wouldn't pass muster in their classes -- populated by 18 year-old college students.
  
  "There are so many economic 'misstatements' being made," said Jonathan Lanning, a professor at Bryn Mawr who is teaching two introductory economics classes this semester. "And it isn't confined to any one candidate."
  
  Michele Bachmann promised to bring back $2 gas. Tim Pawlenty suggested sustained 5% GDP growth was a realistic target. Rick Perry would balance the budget with lower tax revenues.
  
  No dice, say the professors.
  
  Stephen Golub, who is teaching Econ 101 at Swarthmore College this semester, said some of the ideas floated by Presidential candidates would earn a failing grade in his class.
  
  ...

  
  And this isn't limited to the Republican candidates. But again, you're not supposed to take this seriously--trying to debate off of what's essentially a performance either way is silly. That's why, I, for a large part, try to make my decision based on personal character instead. The jokes about Santorum, from what I've seen, are mostly done by stupid people, so that's not saying anything. lol
  
  And I dunno what's the point of you trying to guess my political affiliation, but I consider myself more or less independent.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-02-27 11:18
  The cat pointed why Santorum's not a good product, he puts up conflicting views that gives off bad impressions to voters. Yes, flip flopping is looked down upon.
  
  The video was satire
  on how Ron Paul, a loony radical, can make Santorum look even more extreme than he is
  and is a stepping stone to show how "honorable of a politician" Ron Paul is
  
  and the cat guesses personal character is far more important than unifying the Republican party under one agreeable (AKA MODERATE) candidate.
  Everyone was all set on Mitt Romney until Santorum crippled the party even further with extreme social issues
  Everything became so much easier for Obama
  
  and the cat never guessed your political affiliation
  it was another joke
  "You would make a great neoconservative voter", never assumed you are
  but ,anyways, to be siding with Santorum is FAR from independent
• ValkyrieHamster wrote on 2012-02-27 23:53
  Hmm, good example of no separation of Church and State? The black ages...didn't work out so well for them.
• Cynic wrote on 2012-02-28 00:01
  I'd have no problem with it if Christians didn't use it as an excuse to get what they want under the claims it's Gods will or whatever excuse they're using nowadays.
  
  It's not the religion; it's the people. Though since religion is technically defined by the people, the politics and religion do need to be separate. No good has nor ever will come of it.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2012-02-28 00:37

  Quote from ValkyrieHamster;788808:

  Hmm, good example of no separation of Church and State? The black ages...didn't work out so well for them.

  
  
  Worked pretty well in China though, be it Taoism or Buddhism.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2012-02-28 00:40

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;788391:

  The cat pointed why Santorum's not a good product, he puts up conflicting views that gives off bad impressions to voters. Yes, flip flopping is looked down upon.
  
  The video was satire
  on how Ron Paul, a loony radical, can make Santorum look even more extreme than he is
  and is a stepping stone to show how "honorable of a politician" Ron Paul is
  
  and the cat guesses personal character is far more important than unifying the Republican party under one agreeable (AKA MODERATE) candidate.
  Everyone was all set on Mitt Romney until Santorum crippled the party even further with extreme social issues
  Everything became so much easier for Obama
  
  and the cat never guessed your political affiliation
  it was another joke
  "You would make a great neoconservative voter", never assumed you are
  but ,anyways, to be siding with Santorum is FAR from independent

  
  
  Don't buy in Ron Paul is radical propaganda though, that's a mainstream media effort and really you can't trust what mainstream media says or suggests.
• Jana wrote on 2012-02-28 01:29

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;788874:

  Worked pretty well in China though, be it Taoism or Buddhism.

  
  
  I don't think we can fairly compare Eastern religions and nations to Western ones; the way people are raised to think is very, very differnt, and this is reflected in many of their religious beliefs as well.