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firaga wrote on 2012-03-17 19:55
Fobellow Tin Scythe
The first level 61 scythe that will become available to you, it is the absolute cheapest to craft and consequently the weakest of them all. The two advantages it has over every other scythe in the game is its crit of 37, which no other scythe comes close to, and its Balance of 70. Other level 61 scythes have less Balance. The usefulness of such high crit for scythe is debatable.
[edit] Black Hammer Scythe
A marked improvement over Fobellow Tin Scythe in raw damage, it is more expensive and time-consuming to farm materials for. Aesthetically it isn't too bad, but otherwise it is still sub-par as far as level 61 scythes go.
[edit] Braid Tassel Battle Scythe
One of the most preferred scythes, this comes from Titan. Quite expensive because of the sheer difficulty in getting Titan's break-off, but still above average in every category. It has significantly better magic attack than Black Hammer Scythe, and comes with 3 attack speed built into it. Not the best in any one area, but good in all of them.
[edit] Rakrak Claw
A very fast scythe, base attack speed of 9, that is surprisingly cheap to craft but has below average M ATT that is still better than Black Hammer Scythe. If you prefer having superior speed over maxing your attack power, this is your prime choice.
[edit] Silent Shadow
A scythe that seems to be somewhat confused. In nearly every stat it is identical to Braid Tassel, but it has no attack speed and it isn't necessarily more or less expensive, as the market fluctuates for both. A rather perplexing item, to say the least.
[edit] Scythe of Caresses
A gift from the Succubus, this scythe would be very cheap if it were not for the rarity of Succubus Emblem. Compared to Braid Tassel, it has higher M ATT and better crit, plus 1 additional attack speed. However, it takes a hit to its Balance, bringing its base damage down. Not at all a bad weapon for its raw attack power, and it's also preferred for its looks.
[edit] Raider's Scythe
The highest M ATT scythe, with even less Balance than Scythe of Caresses. Comes with 1 base attack speed. It is absurdly expensive because of of Glas Torn Pants.
[edit] Lionoteeth
At first glance you might mistake this thing for a Braid Tassel Scythe, but when you get close you'll see a whole different animal. This is something of a Hybrid between Rakrak Claw and Scythe of Caresses. Its M ATT is better than Braid Tassel, and it has 9 attack speed plus 1 extra crit. However, its balance is well below average at 54. As hard as it may be to believe, this is even more expensive than Raider's Scythe.
(this is taken from vindictuswiki)
ok so i know for sure i'm going to aim for better than fobellow
but i'm not sure which scythe to get
shud i jsut go for highest m att and get raiders?
although personally i do'nt like the look of raiders
appearance wise, i like caress, or lionoteeth more
any suggestions?
i feel like i do'nt even need that much wep attack speed as i have insane reaper that gives me insane speed buff
also for balance issues, i can just get force scrolls on my wonderland set to make up for it if my scythe has low balance
all in all, what i want is your honest opinions!!!
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Invertex wrote on 2012-03-17 20:08
First off please try to refrain from using bold size 23 font, that won't exactly help you get answers.
Black Hammer scythe isn't good at all, Silent Shadow is pretty bad, Raider's isn't good due to the low balance (the extra attack doesn't make up for it).
What that leaves is the Rakrak Claw, Braid Tassel Scythe, SoC (Scythe of Carresses), and the Lionoteeth.
First off, Attack Speed means a lot more for a Scythe. Scythe is very slow, and you need to put a lot more value on Attack Speed over Att/M.Att. Not to mention that Scythes already have very high base stats in general, meaning hitting 13k-14k isn't too hard with an enchanted +10.
That aside, all four of the above scythes are viable for their own reason.
Rakrak and Lionoteeth are both 9 Attack Speed scythes, meaning they're the best option in general. Rakrak has a fairly large balance lead, one that I'd argue makes it better, but the Lionoteeth is still usable. Both their prices should be around the same now.
The SoC has a good mix of balance and attack stats, but it's generally only used by people who insist on getting the highest attack numbers possible. You only lose 340 M.ATt (compared to the Raider's) and gain 6 balance and 6 critical, enough to offset the losses. That's not even mentioning the fact that this gets 3 more Attack Speed over a Raider's, making it the far better choice.
The Braid Tassel is a bit of an odd choice. But it's listed due to the cheap price. It's cheap relative to the other scythes, meaning you can afford to break multiple on your quest to get a high enhancement level weapon. It's more of a budget option though.
In response to why you think you can get away with low speed/balance.
Speed
Either you spend most of your SP on Reaper instead of on RG (and thus contribute less damage overall), or you can stack Reaper on top of a higher base attack speed in order to get even more speed. Either way, you will gain more from investing in Attack Speed over Att/M.Att. Either being able to play without spending all your SP or being able to play at an even higher Attack Speed if neccessary.
Balance
Balance caps at 90. Unless using some black magic you're able to get over 90 balance on a 51 balance weapon, you will always benefit from more balance.
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firaga wrote on 2012-03-17 20:15
Quote from Invertex;810793:
First off please try to refrain from using bold size 23 font, that won't exactly help you get answers.
Black Hammer scythe isn't good at all, Silent Shadow is pretty bad, Raider's isn't good due to the low balance (the extra attack doesn't make up for it).
What that leaves is the Rakrak Claw, Braid Tassel Scythe, SoC (Scythe of Carresses), and the Lionoteeth.
First off, Attack Speed means a lot more for a Scythe. Scythe is very slow, and you need to put a lot more value on Attack Speed over Att/M.Att. Not to mention that Scythes already have very high base stats in general, meaning hitting 13k-14k isn't too hard with an enchanted +10.
That aside, all four of the above scythes are viable for their own reason.
Rakrak and Lionoteeth are both 9 Attack Speed scythes, meaning they're the best option in general. Rakrak has a fairly large balance lead, one that I'd argue makes it better, but the Lionoteeth is still usable. Both their prices should be around the same now.
The SoC has a good mix of balance and attack stats, but it's generally only used by people who insist on getting the highest attack numbers possible. You only lose 340 M.ATt (compared to the Raider's) and gain 6 balance and 6 critical, enough to offset the losses. That's not even mentioning the fact that this gets 3 more Attack Speed over a Raider's, making it the far better choice.
The Braid Tassel is a bit of an odd choice. But it's listed due to the cheap price. It's cheap relative to the other scythes, meaning you can afford to break multiple on your quest to get a high enhancement level weapon. It's more of a budget option though.
Thank you for this.
And sorry about using a big font, i just thought i should emphasize what my thinking was.
but uhm... u do'nt think the insane reaper compensates for the lack of speed? i mean, i'm at insane reaper r7 and i get 26 att speed with a rakrak
i'm using a clean rakrak atm, got it cheap, but i am very weak right now.
this guy in game told me that if i just use force ES on all my equipment, it will make up for the lack of balance in some weapons, giving me the option to pretty much use any scythe i want with no consequences.
but maybe there are better scroll choices for my armor? i do'nt know honestly haha i started this game 2 weeks ago xDDDD
but yeah.
i feel like scythe evies have very low dps in general, and uh.... it's better to just go for burst-type mode and go for highest m.att possible.
that was my reasoning before.
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Invertex wrote on 2012-03-17 20:30
(I'm going to use AS for attack speed now)
Well, if you use Insane Reaper and you get 26 speed with a low AS Scythe, then you could use Insane Reaper with a high AS Scythe and get ~50-60 AS. As I've said, Scythes are slow and need every bit of speed they can get in order to get their smashes in.
Force is a good enchant scroll, the exact stats are...
Balance +2
ATT +140
M. ATT +132
DEF -28
What that means is that Force will cover any loss in Att/M.Att as well as any loss in Balance. But as I've said, the cap on Balance is 90. At around 80 Balance is when the benefits of Balance on your DPS starts to lessen. Until that point though, I wouldn't just let your balance drop. Scythes are a low balance weapon though, so try to aim for 65-70. I'm not good with calculations, but having 14k M.Att and 50 Balance isn't as ideal as 13.5k and 70 Balance.
Well-Balanced Force is widely considered the best enchant combination for your armour, but it's very risky and costly to obtain. Note that these are both Rank 9 enchants, which can destroy your item if they fail. Not to mention Force costs ~3m per scroll and WB costs 13m+.
Your reasoning about Burst Damage is correct to an extent. However, if you stack enough speed, you can actually use your burst damage more often. Sure you get less damage per burst, but you get more bursts off. Your overall damage will thus increase.
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Tera wrote on 2012-03-17 21:21
So is Intense/Valor more useful than Gallant|Hateful/Divine Punishment on a scythe/staff? What enchants would you recommend for, let's say, a dream walker staff and a SoC scythe?
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Invertex wrote on 2012-03-17 21:41
Well, for the Staff I'd go with Gallant/Valor if you can't afford to risk Rank 9+ scrolls. The ideal layout is something like Hateful/Divine Punishment.
The Scythe is where things get a lot more confusing.
Prefix
Intense is a pretty nice option as it sacrifices a minor amount of M.Att/Att (which Scythes have plenty of) for a nice chunk of Balance and Speed.
Leopard is used for when Speed is even more important, it gives less Balance than Intense but it provided 5 more speed at the cost of nearly 200 M.Att/Att.
Prideful is the best Rank A option since it offers 3 speed, but you lose Att and Balance. It's the best cheap option though.
Suffix
Divine Punishment and Maelstrom are both damage options. DP is better since it focuses on M.Att, Scythe's better stat.
However, I feel Valor or Bloodlust are the better options. They offer more Balance and Speed (with Valor being better for Balance, and Bloodlust for Speed). They still also give some Att/M.Att.
I'd go for something like Intense/Valor for a more balanced Scythe. But if you want to try to go for a full speed Scythe, then you'd want a Leopard/Bloodlust.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-03-17 22:50
I think Divine Punishment beats Valor for staves. It gains a huge 558 magic attack and 2% crit rate and only loses 3 speed and 7 balance. It's not that those losses are small, it's just that the magic attack gained is massive. Maybe if you have a staff with a pretty high enhancement level (12-13+?), it might even out or be better.
Scythes, well, I dunno, I guess speed comes down to preference.