The Sixth Character -- Female Lann?

• Elleanior wrote on 2012-04-05 01:50

  Quote from OizenX;830501:

  Assassins Creed?
  
  wut.
  
  That really doesnt justify why there are set characters, I mean Nexon cant even follow its own story. Vindictus is now an alternate reality instead of a Prequel to Mabi.

  
  [SIZE="1"]You also happen to be completely ignoring the fact that events (and retelling of) change over time. There's at least a couple hundred, probably a couple thousand years between Mabinogi and Vindictus.
  
  

  
  
  • Not everyone hears everything the same.
    
  • When stories are told over and over again over a long time, something's bound to get forgotten/ skewed in some shape or fashion.
    
  • When stories are translated, stuff is often lost in translation.
    
  • Morrighan's probably got something up her sleeve in regards to what they let the people know, and when.

  
  
  It comes as no suprise at all to me that peoples stories between (Mabinogi and Vindictus) are different. [/SIZE]
• Lukeal wrote on 2012-04-05 02:07

  Quote from OizenX;830501:

  Assassins Creed?
  
  wut.
  
  That really doesnt justify why there are set characters, I mean Nexon cant even follow its own story. Vindictus is now an alternate reality instead of a Prequel to Mabi.

  
  
  With the ending of episode 10 it really seems that the games are tied. And what Elleanor said is true, you truly believe that after 800+ years everyone would know exactlly what happened. They weren't there, they only know it through legend and someone could have easily exagerated the story in that time. [SPOILER="Spoiler"]For all we know there are only 3 human milletians, a giant, and elf and somehow they are reincarnations of the heroes and that was morrighan's/tieve's plan all along?[/SPOILER]
• Royale wrote on 2012-04-05 05:02

  Quote from Lukeal;831036:

  With the ending of episode 10 it really seems that the games are tied. And what Elleanor said is true, you truly believe that after 800+ years everyone would know exactlly what happened. They weren't there, they only know it through legend and someone could have easily exagerated the story in that time. [SPOILER="Spoiler"]For all we know there are only 3 human milletians, a giant, and elf and somehow they are reincarnations of the heroes and that was morrighan's/tieve's plan all along?[/SPOILER]

  
  
  they never stated that Karok is a giant, he is a giant man, but still human and kai doesn't have pointy ears ether
• Lukeal wrote on 2012-04-05 11:10

  Quote from Royale;831264:

  they never stated that Karok is a giant, he is a giant man, but still human and kai doesn't have pointy ears ether

  
  
  It was just an example. Not saying they are either of those, but I wound't be surprised either if they were rewarded with becoming "immortal" in a sense either.
• whocares8128 wrote on 2012-04-05 14:14

  Quote from Royale;831264:

  they never stated that Karok is a giant, he is a giant man...

  
  
  Karok isn't a giant man, he's a dwarf giant. His people are much larger than he is, in fact, he's the smallest of them all iirc.
• Royale wrote on 2012-04-05 15:10

  Quote from whocares8128;831424:

  Karok isn't a giant man, he's a dwarf giant. His people are much larger than he is, in fact, he's the smallest of them all iirc.

  
  where does it mention that? i don't remember reading anything about it ingame
• whocares8128 wrote on 2012-04-05 16:29
  There is no mention of it in-game as far as I know (unless it says something in the preview video during character creation). I haven't made a Karok myself, but I did read this, and while it doesn't explicitly call his tribe giants, they are a massive people and clearly don't identify themselves as humans.
  
  Edit: This article actually does call him a giant.
• Oizen wrote on 2012-04-06 20:17

  Quote from Lukeal;831036:

  With the ending of episode 10 it really seems that the games are tied. And what Elleanor said is true, you truly believe that after 800+ years everyone would know exactlly what happened. They weren't there, they only know it through legend and someone could have easily exagerated the story in that time. [SPOILER="Spoiler"]For all we know there are only 3 human milletians, a giant, and elf and somehow they are reincarnations of the heroes and that was morrighan's/tieve's plan all along?[/SPOILER]

  
  
  There's already been a topic that Vind isn't a prequel to mabi anymore. There are so many loopholes that hte plot doesnt even make sense.
  
  Karok isn't a Giant. Kai's ears are human, and so is he.
  
  He's from a group of large humans. Elves and Giants do NOT exist in Vindictus.
  
  
  
  and you guys really aren't helping your argument, infact what you're telling me is completely unrelated to my point.
  
  My point is, None of the Characters in Vind really acknowledge the existence of Lann, Evie,Karok, Fiona, or Kai. They're ususally just like "Hey you, go do this", they never mention the other characters even exist. The stories aren't dynamic to each character at all, its like all the characters are the exact same person, and influence events in the same way. Making set characters completely pointless.
• Elleanior wrote on 2012-04-07 19:11

  Quote from OizenX;832481:

  There's already been a topic that Vind isn't a prequel to mabi anymore. There are so many loopholes that hte plot doesnt even make sense.
  
  Karok isn't a Giant. Kai's ears are human, and so is he.
  He's from a group of large humans. Elves and Giants do NOT exist in Vindictus.
  
  
  
  and you guys really aren't helping your argument, infact what you're telling me is completely unrelated to my point.
  

  
  [SIZE="1"]Implying that Humans cannot be archers?
  
  Another thing that I forgot to mention:
  Look at the size of Vindictus' world atm. Look at the size of the expanse that we can actually explore.
  What the hell makes you think that this is all there is to it?
  
  Have you ever looked at that wonderful [S]2D[/S] mountain range between Colhen and Rocheste? Doesn't it look like there's stuff behind that?
  
  The character details even mention that nobody knows where the character(s) come(s) from, so there's obviously much more to the world than we can see.[/SIZE]
  
  

  Quote from OizenX:

  and you guys really aren't helping your argument, infact what you're telling me is completely unrelated to my point.
  

  
  [SIZE="1"]Guess what? It actually is related.
  
  It seems to me that you're acting as though everything that we see in Mabinogi and Vindictus is all there is to them, and that since they don't add up, they're not in the same series.[/SIZE]
• User495 wrote on 2012-04-25 09:55
  I don't get why there's a conflict here, Oizen is talking about how
  
  gender locking the characters are useless, because the story doesn't do anything different for each of them, as it treats you the same no matter who you play as
  
  at least that's what I think he's saying
  
  and you argue that the story changes..
  should that not support the idea of not having these gender locked restrictions anymore?
  well character lock, but same difference in this case really
• Elleanior wrote on 2012-04-26 23:59

  Quote from Seviraph;847854:

  I don't get why there's a conflict here, Oizen is talking about how
  
  gender locking the characters are useless, because the story doesn't do anything different for each of them, as it treats you the same no matter who you play as
  
  at least that's what I think he's saying
  
  and you argue that the story changes..
  should that not support the idea of not having these gender locked restrictions anymore?
  well character lock, but same difference in this case really

  
  Through the characters in Vindictus, we are seeing what really happened "back then". What historians in Mabinogi say is irrelevant. Vindictus' events are what really happened. Historians might have perhaps altered it, we don't know. They haven't discussed that yet. I'd assume that Lann was the "main character" back then, and the others were his comrades.
  
  I personally think that Vindictus would've worked better as an offline game (because of that). Like this, however, it's more that whichever character that we chose is the "main character" (who goes through all the shit in the plot) and the others are their comrades (who help them in battle -- the grouping in battle quests). I suppose that the reason that they made the other characters playable in the first place is mostly because of the fact that it's an MMO.
  
  I don't know about Oizen, but my arguement is that I'm pissed to hell that people are saying "Mabinogi and Vindictus have no relation whatsoever" when we don't even know the half of the story behind both of them. So how would we know whether or not they have similarities (in the plot) or not? That's right, we don't. The least that you could say is that they don't have any similarities yet. Maybe Nexon and DevCAT will connect the dots eventually, maybe they won't. We don't know yet.
• User495 wrote on 2012-04-27 01:23

  Quote from Elleanior;849627:

  Through the characters in Vindictus, we are seeing what really happened "back then". What historians in Mabinogi say is irrelevant. Vindictus' events are what really happened. Historians might have perhaps altered it, we don't know. They haven't discussed that yet. I'd assume that Lann was the "main character" back then, and the others were his comrades.
  
  I personally think that Vindictus would've worked better as an offline game (because of that). Like this, however, it's more that whichever character that we chose is the "main character" (who goes through all the shit in the plot) and the others are their comrades (who help them in battle -- the grouping in battle quests). I suppose that the reason that they made the other characters playable in the first place is mostly because of the fact that it's an MMO.
  
  I don't know about Oizen, but my arguement is that I'm pissed to hell that people are saying "Mabinogi and Vindictus have no relation whatsoever" when we don't even know the half of the story behind both of them. So how would we know whether or not they have similarities (in the plot) or not? That's right, we don't. The least that you could say is that they don't have any similarities yet. Maybe Nexon and DevCAT will connect the dots eventually, maybe they won't. We don't know yet.

  
  
  oh, well from what I gathered, his point was about "class gender locks" if that's the proper word for it,
  
  I'm not really sure where this idea of Vindictus and Mabinogi is not related came from though, namely, the existence of Glas (and I haven't played for awhile so forgive me if I'm wrong) it's the Glas that was talked about in Mabinogi, then there's also the existence of both Morrighan and Cichol in Vindictus, which already ties the 2 games together for me, from what I remembered also, Vindictus, sort of showed the origin of Cichol (as well as gender) and the origin of the Morrighan that we know in Mabinogi
  
  anywho, to the point about gender locks, there's really no "story" or plot reason to continue it's existence, which of course probably not the case in the first place
  
  [SIZE="1"]if some of that made no sense, sorry, I'm bad making large walls of text, and I would probably mention this every time I do make one[/SIZE]
• Elleanior wrote on 2012-04-27 15:00

  Quote from Seviraph;849752:

  I'm not really sure where this idea of Vindictus and Mabinogi is not related came from though, namely, the existence of Glas (and I haven't played for awhile so forgive me if I'm wrong) it's the Glas that was talked about in Mabinogi, then there's also the existence of both Morrighan and Cichol in Vindictus, which already ties the 2 games together for me, from what I remembered also, Vindictus, sort of showed the origin of Cichol (as well as gender) and the origin of the Morrighan that we know in Mabinogi

  
  
  The Glas that we saw in Mabinogi was clearly stated to be a reconstruction of a such similar "deity", to which I am assuming is the one from Vindictus (which was apparently summoned, as opposed to recreated... ...alchemy..?), unless there's another one. It does mention (in Mabinogi) that Glas is one of a race of similar beings. (Inb4 24-man raid where we get to fight 6 of them.)
  
  (You've got a point about the gender part for Cichol. I used to crack jokes that for all we knew [at the time], he could be a little girl on stilts and using a voice changer.)
• KataraXJ9 wrote on 2012-06-06 22:34
  so let me get this straight this is a April fools joke for the year 2102?
  cause on the image it shows 4.1.2102.
• Elleanior wrote on 2012-06-06 22:57

  Quote from KataraXJ9;881550:

  so let me get this straight this is a April fools joke for the year 2102?
  cause on the image it shows 4.1.2102.

  
  Sh... you're not supposed to notice that! :whisper: