Point based infraction system explained.

• Bakuryu wrote on 2012-05-17 00:51
  Our infraction system is quite simple, but here you'll be able to see a quick reference on how it works, how many points each infraction adds, and how many points will automatically ban you, and for how much time.
  
  The following is the points each infraction will add to your account, most infractions expire over time, once expired, the points are subtracted from your account.
  Most infractions also have different levels of severity, which one you receive is at the moderators discretion.
  Warnings may be issued instead of infractions, which do not add points, and simply serve as a reminder of our rules.
  You can see infractions and warnings you have received on your User CP or Profile page under the Infractions tab.
  
  

  [Image: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/letixferrance/infractions_table-3.png]

  
  Note that severe infractions do not have warnings enabled, meaning that we will not remind you of the rules with a pretty warning when you do something severe. Severe infractions are usually stuff that are obviously breaking the rules.
  
  And now the points needed for the automatic bans.
  
  

  [Image: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/letixferrance/ban_period.png]

  
  
  
  This thread may be used for questions or feedback regarding the system.
• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-05-17 01:07
  Well, now we know the specific numbers :D Also, would an appeal affect the expiration time/points?
• Bakuryu wrote on 2012-05-17 01:11
  Yes, infractions may be reversed in the case we acknowledge a mistake has been made, in which case all points provided by that infraction would be subtracted.
• Kanam wrote on 2012-05-17 01:51
  That might seem like a stupid question (and it probably is one!) but are days counted down on the expiration timer when a member is banned? Like lets say someone is banned 6 month because he/she get 24 points; would those point be reduced to 0 once he/she is unbanned (since 6 month is roughly the 180 days) or it start counting down once the ban is lifted?
  
  I realize that it's probably the later but curiosity forced me to ask anyway!
• Episkey wrote on 2012-05-17 04:37
  Wow. This is excellent! Thanks for taking the suggestion and implementing it.
  It's nice to see how some points never expire and the ones that do - take a while. That alleviates my fears of this system being abused.
  
  However, just a quick question. Let's say someone severely flames another user.
  
  They acquire 10 points and are banned for 3 days. When they come back - they severely flame yet another user, getting another 10 points.
  At this instance they went from 10 points to 20 points.
  
  Are they subject to the 2 month ban period only? Or are both periods added up to give 2 months and 2 weeks?
  
  I would hope that it would be the latter - but I'm asking for confirmation.
  
  Thanks!~
• Bakuryu wrote on 2012-05-17 12:28
  I'm afraid I don't know the answer to either of these two questions, as I believe we haven't even had something like either case happen, at least not during my stay.
  But I will try if I can simulate some of these cases with custom infractions and short bans on a dummy account, as I want everyone's questions answered.
  
  

  Quote from Kanam;865638:

  That might seem like a stupid question (and it probably is one!) but are days counted down on the expiration timer when a member is banned? Like lets say someone is banned 6 month because he/she get 24 points; would those point be reduced to 0 once he/she is unbanned (since 6 month is roughly the 180 days) or it start counting down once the ban is lifted?
  
  I realize that it's probably the later but curiosity forced me to ask anyway!

  
  
  
  I guess the question, putting it simply, is if the days keep counting down while the person is banned? My guess is that it does. (EDIT: false, read below)
  
  

  Quote from Episkey;865767:

  Wow. This is excellent! Thanks for taking the suggestion and implementing it.
  It's nice to see how some points never expire and the ones that do - take a while. That alleviates my fears of this system being abused.
  
  However, just a quick question. Let's say someone severely flames another user.
  
  They acquire 10 points and are banned for 3 days. When they come back - they severely flame yet another user, getting another 10 points.
  At this instance they went from 10 points to 20 points.
  
  Are they subject to the 2 month ban period only? Or are both periods added up to give 2 months and 2 weeks?
  
  I would hope that it would be the latter - but I'm asking for confirmation.
  
  Thanks!~

  
  
  My guess is that the former happens actually, but it would all depend on how the code was written out, which I wish I had a chance to look at.
  
  Alright, I'll see if I can simulate some of these things now, hopefully get back to you with an actual answer and not guesses.
  Or possibly other mods could know.
  
  __
  
  [SIZE="3"]Tests done[/SIZE]
  I was wrong about first one, right about second one.
  
  So to give a direct answer.
  
  Kanam: The ban period seems to add up to the expiring time of the infractions.
  i.e
  Person has an Infraction that expires in 10 days.
  Person gets banned for 3 days.
  Infraction will expire in 13 days, not in 10.
  
  Episkey: Said person would be banned for 2 months.
• Kenero wrote on 2012-05-17 14:33
  Just to test the system, can you give me an infraction?
• Bakuryu wrote on 2012-05-17 14:47
  I'm gonna go with no. owo
  
  But it's very simple:
  You do a booboo, moderator adds infraction or warning selecting from a possible list, or in a rare case a custom one.
  The moderator is forced to write a reason, a PM is automatically sent like the following:
  
  

  You have received an infraction at Mabination - Mabinogi and Vindictus Fansite, Guides and Community
  Dear <Your User Name>,
  
  You have received an infraction at Mabination - Mabinogi and Vindictus Fansite, Guides and Community.
  
  Reason: <Infraction's name>
  -------
  <reasons>
  -------
  
  This infraction is worth <X> point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.
  
  All the best,
  Mabination - Mabinogi and Vindictus Fansite, Guides and Community

  
  
  And in your profile page you see a list of the infractions / warnings you received. Like this
  

  [Image: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/letixferrance/infractionsexample.png]
• Kenero wrote on 2012-05-17 14:53

  Quote from Bakuryu;866007:

  I'm gonna go with no. owo
  
  But it's very simple:
  You do a booboo, moderator adds infraction or warning selecting from a possible list, or in a rare case a custom one.
  The moderator is forced to write a reason, a PM is automatically sent like the following:
  
  
  
  And in your profile page you see a list of the infractions / warnings you received. Like this
  

  [Image: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/letixferrance/infractionsexample.png]

  
  
  Aww.
  
  Sugestion! Can you make the lower level infraction expire in 30 days or 60 days? 90 days is pretty steep.
  
  Also 2 warnings of the same problem within the time limit of 30 days should be converted into 1 point.
• Bakuryu wrote on 2012-05-17 15:01

  Quote from Kenero;866012:

  Aww.
  
  Sugestion! Can you make the lower level infraction expire in 30 days or 60 days? 90 days is pretty steep.

  
  I think 90 days is quite fine really, they used to be awfully low before.
  With 90 days you have a good amount that should force some people to cut it out. Remember that warnings would be issued first in most cases, so if we warned you about it once, and you ignored, and add infraction afterwards, you deserve the 90 days for not following the rules, the rules we reminded you about with the warning.
  
  

  
  
  Also 2 warnings of the same problem within the time limit of 30 days should be converted into 1 point.

  
  
  Doubtful it would happen in the first place.
  If a mod warns someone for something, and he does it again, that time it won't be a warning, it will be an infraction, we already told the dude to cut it out, he didn't, now burn in holy fire~
  
  _
  Also, I forgot to mention that Severe infractions can never be a warning. If it is severe, even if it is the first time you did it, it won't be a warning, never. Will add that to the OP.
• Episkey wrote on 2012-05-17 15:11

  Quote from Bakuryu;865900:

  
  Episkey: Said person would be banned for 2 months.

  
  
  Oh ... huh :/
  
  Well, I think the length of periods are fine in themselves ... so I guess it's okay.
  
  
  

  Quote from Bakuryu;866017:

  now burn in holy fire~

  
  
  :lol:
  
  That was priceless, I thought I was bad.
  
  (Although, I can't really think of any holy fire - in this realm. And Hell isn't holy T_T)
• Kanam wrote on 2012-05-17 15:25

  Quote from Bakuryu;865900:

  I guess the question, putting it simply, is if the days keep counting down while the person is banned? My guess is that it does.
  
  My guess is that the former happens actually, but it would all depend on how the code was written out, which I wish I had a chance to look at.
  
  

  
  
  Yeah I could have put that question simply. Sorry about that haha. But yeah you got what I meant. And in that case wouldnt it be impossible to reach permaban since all point would be expired by the time the person is unbanned from 6 month ban?
• Bakuryu wrote on 2012-05-17 15:30

  Quote from Kanam;866034:

  Yeah I could have put that question simply. Sorry about that haha. But yeah you got what I meant. And in that case wouldnt it be impossible to reach permaban since all point would be expired by the time the person is unbanned from 6 month ban?

  
  
  I corrected myself in the edit, expire time is extended.
  

  Kanam: The ban period seems to add up to the expiring time of the infractions.
  i.e
  Person has an Infraction that expires in 10 days.
  Person gets banned for 3 days.
  Infraction will expire in 13 days, not in 10.

• Kanam wrote on 2012-05-17 15:36

  Quote from Bakuryu;866039:

  I corrected myself in the edit, expire time is extended.

  
  
  Ah okay. Thank you for taking the time to look into it! It was making me curious~
• Rin wrote on 2012-05-17 16:38
  Was more thorough than I thought.
  
  Thanks for the info.