Cuchulainn ~ The Hounds of Chulainn

• Odin wrote on 2014-02-08 04:03
  Ack I forgot the most important step!
  
  I was going to baconate the guild before handing it over to Adrian.
  
  Now I've missed my one chance, because I thought I would let him bring it back together with the rule of an iron fist and a well-seasoned bacon pan.
  
  No he didn't bribe me to do this.
  
  But right now is the most cuchu in one place since the collapse.
• Yoorah wrote on 2014-02-08 04:12
  We need to have a celebratory dinner tomorrow at the banquet.
• Ravendor wrote on 2014-02-08 07:32
  Hirin, why did you hand over leadership without even consulting with me? I'm kind of puzzled and offended as to why I was kept entirely in the dark about this.
• Froglord of DESTINY!!! wrote on 2014-02-08 10:41
  I actually wanna know why rave wasn't told either, she did make the guild, it feels like this was some sort coupe.
• Adrianblade wrote on 2014-02-08 11:45
  Asked Sel about it back when you were discussing about it. I quote:
  
  "S'all good. Actually I ended up taking Rav's advice and handed it to Hirin since he's got premium service and a fairly solid guild on another server. THAT BEING SAID if you'd like lead, feel free to ask him. Mostly I was just running out of time and wanted to make sure the stone didn't vanish overnight."
• Ravendor wrote on 2014-02-08 11:57

  Quote from Adrianblade;1196057:

  Asked Sel about it back when you were discussing about it. I quote:
  
  "S'all good. Actually I ended up taking Rav's advice and handed it to Hirin since he's got premium service and a fairly solid guild on another server. THAT BEING SAID if you'd like lead, feel free to ask him. Mostly I was just running out of time and wanted to make sure the stone didn't vanish overnight."

  
  
  Him. Him as in me, not Hirin.
• Selithia wrote on 2014-02-08 12:04
  That being said, Adrian, I didn't really expect the guild to be mass kicked and then restaffed with most of the people who abandoned ship instead of actively doing anything about whatever mysterious problems they were having. Hell I thought the reason you left in the first place was because you were tired of all the dramatics coming out of 'the clique', so it's a bit weird to see half of them back in.
  
  I do have to wonder what would've happened to Sel if I was still in the guild and hadn't JUST left a few days ago to keep Rav company.
• Ravendor wrote on 2014-02-08 12:06

  Quote from Selithia;1196059:

  That being said, Adrian, I didn't really expect the guild to be mass kicked and then restaffed with most of the people who abandoned ship instead of actively doing anything about whatever mysterious problems they were having. Hell I thought the reason you left in the first place was because you were tired of all the dramatics coming out of 'the clique', so it's a bit weird to see half of them back in.
  
  I do have to wonder what would've happened to Sel if I was still in the guild and hadn't JUST left a few days ago to keep Rav company.

  
  
  I'm also kind of furious you kicked all my alts, too. The ones I were using to check on the guild to make sure everything was still there.
  
  But the main thing I'm mad about isn't why you're lead now, but why I wasn't informed of any of this. Or if not me, Seli. Literally the only way I found out was by logging on to the alt to do the dragon event and finding my guild list gone.
• Adrianblade wrote on 2014-02-08 13:29

  Quote from Selithia;1196059:

  That being said, Adrian, I didn't really expect the guild to be mass kicked and then restaffed with most of the people who abandoned ship instead of actively doing anything about whatever mysterious problems they were having. Hell I thought the reason you left in the first place was because you were tired of all the dramatics coming out of 'the clique', so it's a bit weird to see half of them back in.
  
  I do have to wonder what would've happened to Sel if I was still in the guild and hadn't JUST left a few days ago to keep Rav company.

  
  
  All l did was kick alts l knew off and any real trouble starters. Had you and Rave still been in Cuchu l would've left you guys alone. Plus most that were kicked were people at the 4 week inactive or more stage.
  
  Plus in order to remove the gold from guild l needed to make sure l could get the votes needed to do so. Out of the 67 in guild last night, almost half were alts or in actives.
  
  Secondly as for the not informing. In that l do admit l ired and could've done better. So while l apologize on that l won't apologize about the kicking. As for the ones who left who have now or want to come back. Judging from most of their reactions they seem willing to cooperate with me.
• Ravendor wrote on 2014-02-08 13:43

  Quote from Adrianblade;1196065:

  Plus in order to remove the gold from guild l needed to make sure l could get the votes needed to do so. Out of the 67 in guild last night, almost half were alts or in actives.
  
  Secondly as for the not informing. In that l do admit l ired and could've done better. So while l apologize on that l won't apologize about the kicking. As for the ones who left who have now or want to come back. Judging from most of their reactions they seem willing to cooperate with me.

  
  
  Mostly what I'd like you to do is take the gold from the Cuchu vault and disband the guild to make a new one, and do whatever you like with that one instead. If you do it quickly enough you can probably snag the same stone location, too, and raising a guild's level up to fit thirty or so people in can only take a few days if you work at it, which I'm sure you're able. I just don't want cuchu revived again when you can just as easily start from scratch and make a clean slate, hell, I'm already getting notes from people who were kicked asking what is going on.
  
  But I don't really have the authority to tell you what to do anymore, so I'm asking as a friend that you don't try and commandeer my guild's legacy. If you say no, well, I'll be disappointed, but I can't stop you. I just hope you can have a clean conscience afterwards, I guess.
• Adrianblade wrote on 2014-02-08 14:05

  Quote from Ravendor;1196066:

  Mostly what I'd like you to do is take the gold from the Cuchu vault and disband the guild to make a new one, and do whatever you like with that one instead. If you do it quickly enough you can probably snag the same stone location, too, and raising a guild's level up to fit thirty or so people in can only take a few days if you work at it, which I'm sure you're able. I just don't want cuchu revived again when you can just as easily start from scratch and make a clean slate, hell, I'm already getting notes from people who were kicked asking what is going on.
  
  But I don't really have the authority to tell you what to do anymore, so I'm asking as a friend that you don't try and commandeer my guild's legacy. If you say no, well, I'll be disappointed, but I can't stop you. I just hope you can have a clean conscience afterwards, I guess.

  
  
  So what you are saying is that you don't want me to command the Cuchulainn that is here now. Rather you would like it if l could disband cuchu, remake another guild with the exact same name, in the exact same spot? With most of the old members joining again? That seems horribly inefficient. And just like you said, we could prob get to the same lvl in a few days but the groundwork has already been laid down. I'll discuss it with the others and see their thoughts but mine are clear. As for my conscience? Took the time from when l left to getting lead to clear it.
  
  "A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt."
  - Tactica Imperium
• Odin wrote on 2014-02-08 14:39

  Quote from Ravendor;1196031:

  Hirin, why did you hand over leadership without even consulting with me? I'm kind of puzzled and offended as to why I was kept entirely in the dark about this.

  
  
  I didn't know you were still around- I hadn't heard from anyone in a month and thought people had quit Mabi. There was a bit of a miscalculation on my part in accepting this- without you guys being active I didn't have anyone to hang out with on Alexina and for the most part only checked in to make sure nothing bad had happened. It was prepaid for 3 months in advance as well, so the stone wasn't going to vanish.
  
  Adrian contacted me by PM saying he wanted to revive it, and if memory serves he had been lead before. Since he knew everyone better than I did, and there wasn't much I could do, it was probably for the best. If we need to get through hard times again I can float it once more, but I don't know if I could keep it really active.
  
  The mass kicking was because we needed to bring the total membership into line with the number of active people, that way a guild budget could be passed. Since it will be a long time before cuchu builds a new castle, he wanted to return some of the gold to the people who had originally donated it- if they could be found and the amount they contributed was known.
  
  And I wondered where Seli went.
  
  Having said that the revival might not last. I've seen communities get back together after a big breakup, usually the problems that divided them to begin with didn't go away and they quickly fall apart again. Though it would be nice if Adrian and I can rebuild on the ashes of the old castle, it will never be the same- nor will it be an easy task.
  
  So unless it was your intention for Cuchu to remain divided and eventually be forgotten and buried like most of the guilds I have ever enjoyed, I don't see what the problem here is. If that was the goal, then in 30 days I will have Adrian give me back lead, and I will keep the stone as long as I can without accepting new members.
  
  I've only ever disbanded one guild before- the Tarlach guild Corsair. And I cried a lot that night knowing that the memories would soon be gone, losing Cuchu would be just as hard on me.
• Ravendor wrote on 2014-02-08 15:11
  Well, I'd prefer it if you didn't just rename the old guild Cuchulainn anyway. Surely you guys are creative enough to come up with something else? Even just Setanta would work or whatever (Cuchulainn's first name before he changed it)
  
  And I do want Cuchu to be over and done with. I'd been pushing for it's disbanding for months and months before I let Seli hand it over to you, Hirin. She just wasn't comfortable with disbanding I suppose, but I'd prefer it over the chance of you guys reviving it only to have it potentially succumb to drama a second time.
  
  You must understand that my years of raising Cuchulainn made it a part of me, and I don't want it to be around and run by the same people who ditched Cuchulainn in it's darkest hour, and I'm looking at most of you for that.
  
  Adrian, who left cuchu for alone time.
  
  Elisium, who went with him.
  
  Zandeth who left without a word, and is back in, I see.
  
  Vasnia who was divided but went with the others anyway.
  
  And Howhurl who after a while thought it was best to ditch too.
  
  You guys think you deserve to have that name above yours after how you left? I don't understand how.
  
  But I left too to be with Airy and his friends, so I deserted as well. I don't deserve the name either.
  
  That's why I want Cuchulainn to be left in memory.
  
  Please understand that I'm not trying to lash out and the very last thing I want to do is offend anyone, but I'm just trying to communicate how badly I would like what is essentially my biggest project in mabi and what have you ultimately finished by my own hands. Disbanded and done.
• Adrianblade wrote on 2014-02-08 16:04
  There are many things l would like to say but atm l don't have the time to say them. I'll mull everything over and then discuss it with everyone.
  
  Just...this is the first time l heard you wanting to disband the entire guild. I only heard that you no longer wanted to lead. So my only question is...what prevented you from disbanding after those events back in Dec? The guild was clearly in decline. It would've been the perfect time. And saying Sel had lead means nothing for l know full well you have access to his account. You could've even told Hirin afterwards in a private channel that you wanted it disbanded. It wasn't like the guild was even busy. It was a shadow of its former self. You must forgive me for putting up my guard and being a little skeptical.
• Vasnia wrote on 2014-02-08 16:36

  Quote from Ravendor;1196081:

  Well, I'd prefer it if you didn't just rename the old guild Cuchulainn anyway. Surely you guys are creative enough to come up with something else? Even just Setanta would work or whatever (Cuchulainn's first name before he changed it)
  
  And I do want Cuchu to be over and done with. I'd been pushing for it's disbanding for months and months before I let Seli hand it over to you, Hirin. She just wasn't comfortable with disbanding I suppose, but I'd prefer it over the chance of you guys reviving it only to have it potentially succumb to drama a second time.
  
  You must understand that my years of raising Cuchulainn made it a part of me, and I don't want it to be around and run by the same people who ditched Cuchulainn in it's darkest hour, and I'm looking at most of you for that.
  
  Adrian, who left cuchu for alone time.
  
  Elisium, who went with him.
  
  Zandeth who left without a word, and is back in, I see.
  
  Vasnia who was divided but went with the others anyway.
  
  And Howhurl who after a while thought it was best to ditch too.
  
  You guys think you deserve to have that name above yours after how you left? I don't understand how.
  
  But I left too to be with Airy and his friends, so I deserted as well. I don't deserve the name either.
  
  That's why I want Cuchulainn to be left in memory.
  
  Please understand that I'm not trying to lash out and the very last thing I want to do is offend anyone, but I'm just trying to communicate how badly I would like what is essentially my biggest project in mabi and what have you ultimately finished by my own hands. Disbanded and done.

  
  
  While the outcome of this is not my choice, I just need to say something. I'm so fucking sick of being blamed and hearing my name in all this shit. I'm sick of the wrong people being blamed too. I said I was done playing games to you, but I take it back. I can't just sit back and watch you say things that aren't 100% true.
  You're not the only one who suffered, you think we all gave up on you? I feel like you gave up on us. I spent so much of my own time dealing with things that you couldn't- or didn't want too, and when i didn't have the time or motovation anymore? you say it's just a game it doesn't matter! So what happened? leadership tanked and instead of the old cuchu way and trying to work things out.. You again didn't do anything and passed lead to seli to be a brute. So if this is truely just a game to you, move on rave. Cuchu has always been more then just yours, if Adri and others want to try and revitalize Cuchu, I'll be here to help because they at least appreciate me and my time.