Teacher may lose job for refusing to let kids skip assignments

• Kingofrunes wrote on 2012-06-03 16:41
  It's due to fucking stupidity like this, that kids are under-prepared for college and grossly under-prepared for the real world and skills that workplaces actually need.
  
  Which in turn translates to less jobs and more unemployment.
  
  You want to fix the economy Obama? How about you start with fixing the stupid education system so that the kids of the future aren't stupid and under-prepared for the challenges of the real world.
  
  /rant
• Claudia wrote on 2012-06-03 16:43

  Quote from Kingofrunes;879289:

  It's due to fucking stupidity like this, that kids are under-prepared for college and grossly under-prepared for the real world and skills that workplaces actually need.
  
  Which in turn translates to less jobs and more unemployment.
  
  You want to fix the economy Obama? How about you start with fixing the stupid education system so that the kids of the future aren't stupid and under-prepared for the challenges of the real world.
  
  /rant

  
  
  It's Canada, but the same thing applies. NCLB is frustrating. Our education system will never be perfectly equal so trying to make it as such by emphasizing standardized testing and dumbing it down so dumb kids can still do okay is horrible and does a disservice to just about everyone involved.
• Micho wrote on 2012-06-03 16:44
  People do realize that this is in Canada right? Not the US? Unless you guys have the no-zero policy too, but from what Claudia was saying, I believe you guys don't have that.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2012-06-03 16:46

  Quote from Chockeh;879138:

  Isn't that what Kitae did and got fucked by a teacher that hated him for doing so? D:

  
  
  There's also professors that give you a grade for participation. At RIT, that was a common thing for most courses. Which means, if you didn't come to class, you got a bad grade.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-06-03 16:49
  As far as I am aware, there is no school with something as dumb as no-zero policy here in quebec. You can easily get 0 and fail grades even if you do your exams.
• Claudia wrote on 2012-06-03 16:50

  Quote from Micho;879292:

  People do realize that this is in Canada right? Not the US? Unless you guys have the no-zero policy too, but from what Claudia was saying, I believe you guys don't have that.

  
  
  Well, each school still does their own thing. Here (in my school) it depends on the teacher, but most teachers allow you to turn in a homework the next day for something like half-credit. My Algebra teacher says if you give it to him by the end of the day you get credit, otherwise no. My Spanish teacher doesn't accept late work at all. For tests, if you're absent (the only reason you would theoretically? get a 0 since you didn't take it) you get the amount of days you missed of the class + 1 to make it up. But scheduling retakes is so annoying due to lack of free periods, that there's a kid in my bio class who legit hasn't made up a test from 2 months ago.
  
  Even though we're in high school, it's like hand-holding. Giving a 0 reflects badly, and makes parents angry. They'll harass the teacher through e-mail and on the phone (and this HAS happened to some of my teachers) demanding why little Timmy or Suzy has a C in the class because the teacher is claiming that little Timmy didn't do his work or little Suzy didn't come and make up a test so she got a 0. It's so ugly because Timmy and Suzy don't give a shit or have some terribad excuse but the teacher can't give them the grade they deserve because everyone (the student, parents, and sometimes the administration) will complain and try and force the teacher to give them a decent enough grade so their life isn't ruined.
  
  So tl;dr: even in America, no zero for you. Stupid NCLB.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2012-06-03 16:55

  Quote from Micho;879276:

  CAUSE CANADIANS ARE NICE LIKE THAT. But seriously, you guys never had a teacher round up marks for you? I was sitting at a 78% at the end of English last semester and my English teacher (who is the coolest guy ever) rounded it up to 80% for me. Also, if you have failing students in a class, the school doesn't get money, and the teacher himself doesn't get money either, so why not be nice and just round that 1% up? Students here work their asses off in classes and they get you know, 1% away from honours, or if they totally bombed a test 1% is the difference from failing and barely passing. Most, if not all teachers will round up and give that 1%.
  

  
  
  That sounds more like babying students. Something I don't support one bit. Your grade is what you grade is. NO EXCEPTIONS. Depending on the subject, in the real world, the slightest mistake could put thousands and millions of dollars at risk or endanger thousands/millions of lives.
  
  School should be treated as such to prepare students for the harsh reality of life. If I was a teacher, I'd be a hardball too because I'd want my students to work hard and succeed. Sure, mistakes are all right when you are learning but to repeatedly overlook mistakes and dismiss them will only lead to more trouble down the road.
  
  Frankly, if I was ever a parent. I would be the classic asian parent making sure my child did well in school and did their work. My biggest pet peeve is laziness in academics.
• Chockeh wrote on 2012-06-03 16:55

  Quote from Chiyuri;879295:

  As far as I am aware, there is no school with something as dumb as no-zero policy here in quebec. You can easily get 0 and fail grades even if you do your exams.

  
  
  Actually, my secondary 1-2 school had it (not to sure about my secondary 3-5). The minimum mark was 35% or something. Passing mark being 60%.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-06-03 16:57

  Quote from Chockeh;879300:

  Actually, my secondary 1-2 school had it (not to sure about my secondary 3-5). The minimum mark was 35% or something. Passing mark being 60%.

  
  
  English school?
• Chockeh wrote on 2012-06-03 16:58

  Quote from Chiyuri;879302:

  English school?

  
  
  French.
  
  Fuck you loi 101.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-06-03 17:00

  Quote from Chockeh;879303:

  French.
  
  Fuck you loi 101.

  
  
  Then I am indeed surprised. Younger generation sure has it easier these days..
• Chockeh wrote on 2012-06-03 17:01
  I-I'm not that young! ;_;
  
  -Will replace young with old in like two years when I hit 20-
  
  EDIT: Also, yeah. I think it was new when I was in secondary 1. Not too sure since I never ever thought that I would fail at school xD.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-06-03 17:02

  Quote from Chockeh;879306:

  I-I'm not that young! ;_;
  
  -Will replace young with old in like two years when I hit 20-

  
  
  sounds very young to me.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2012-06-03 17:03
  This reminds me of my French teacher in high school.
  
  He was extremely focused on academics and naturally was the leader of the Honor Society.
  
  He always stressed doing well in class and getting good grades. Heck, our 12th grade French class he treated as a college seminar. He'd get quite frustrated when we didn't do well.
  
  I like that, more teachers need to actually drive their students to succeed and work hard. Builds character and work ethic. Something, that most people SEVERELY lack these days. Which, is yet, another huge pet peeve of mine.
• Claudia wrote on 2012-06-03 17:12

  Quote from Kingofrunes;879312:

  This reminds me of my French teacher in high school.
  
  He was extremely focused on academics and naturally was the leader of the Honor Society.
  
  He always stressed doing well in class and getting good grades. Heck, our 12th grade French class he treated as a college seminar. He'd get quite frustrated when we didn't do well.
  
  I like that, more teachers need to actually drive their students to succeed and work hard. Builds character and work ethic. Something, that most people SEVERELY lack these days. Which, is yet, another huge pet peeve of mine.

  
  
  I had a teacher like that last year. Handed us readings from her own grad school seminars and had us work through them. She would help us if we needed it, but otherwise left us to our own devices. She loved us all dearly but wouldn't be happy with us if we slacked off. A balance like that is perfect.
  
  And now she's getting yelled at by some girl's dad because the girl was "too busy with sports" and has a bad grade this quarter, and the dad wants the teacher to give his daughter "make-up" work to help her grade. Fucking...seriously?
  
  My English teacher grades harshly but helps you step-by-step to improve your writing. I've learned so much from him this year and i'd be devastated if I had gotten a different teacher. I really just wanted to get through another year of English and didn't have much faith in the help a teacher would give me, but I went from being a C- student to being an A student. You have to be willing to let someone help you, though, and a teacher like him can coax that out of just about anyone. The people who bitch and complain about him are the ones that won't listen to him.
  
  But unmotivated teachers don't help anyone. And it's hard to get teachers motivated, if there's so much pressure on them to make sure every kid passes and understands what they're teaching, in addition to being the role-model and invested person they're supposed to be. And not all students want to even be there, so they won't do anything. A student who doesn't do anything should get the grade they deserve, which is a big fat F. But what if you fail that student, and you lose your job because you're supposed to be fair and equal to everyone? What are you supposed to do then? How is it fair to ANYONE?
  
  I would never want to be a teacher. It's one of the hardest and least-respected jobs ever.