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Invertex wrote on 2012-06-18 22:51
Yeah, I don't think there was any time alteration going on. Everything has occured, they just made everyone forget about it. So pretty much they reset everyone's memory back to like... Hoarfrost Hollow. Most of the mercenaries treat you like a new recruit again and the Royal Army treats you like a mercenary.
As mentioned before: the only memories besides those that got completely erased are those of Keaghen, Tieve, and likely everyone that died during the course of the story (Ellis, Gwynn, Ingkells). However everything they did still occured, like Balwynn mentions having orders that nobody knows the origins of. However Balwynn doesn't show any remorse about Gwynn or Ellis, let alone knowledge of those two.
It's a bit jarring, but it's pretty much what pre-Ainle Vindi was. But minus a few key characters.
I've recorded the ending cutscene and all of the "Still Here:" quest line. I can upload it if anyone wants it that badly, but I'm sure it's already up on Youtube somewhere.
Anyways, this did bring up something I have to wonder about. Just how much does your character remember? It seems like you're wandering around since you remember what happened. But the text about Tieve and such heavily implies that your character also forgot.
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Continuum wrote on 2012-06-19 01:17
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Yeah, I don't think there was any time alteration going on. Everything has occured, they just made everyone forget about it. So pretty much they reset everyone's memory back to like... Hoarfrost Hollow. Most of the mercenaries treat you like a new recruit again and the Royal Army treats you like a mercenary.
As mentioned before: the only memories besides those that got completely erased are those of Keaghen, Tieve, and likely everyone that died during the course of the story (Ellis, Gwynn, Ingkells). However everything they did still occured, like Balwynn mentions having orders that nobody knows the origins of. However Balwynn doesn't show any remorse about Gwynn or Ellis, let alone knowledge of those two.
It's a bit jarring, but it's pretty much what pre-Ainle Vindi was. But minus a few key characters.
I've recorded the ending cutscene and all of the "Still Here:" quest line. I can upload it if anyone wants it that badly, but I'm sure it's already up on Youtube somewhere.
Anyways, this did bring up something I have to wonder about. Just how much does your character remember? It seems like you're wandering around since you remember what happened. But the text about Tieve and such heavily implies that your character also forgot.
I think our character doesn't remember anything at all, though it would've made more sense for them to remember something...I mean they were basically there during the whole transformation of Tieve and Keaghan into Morrighan and Chichol, so making them forget is kinda like...meh.
Oh well, I guess it's for plot reasons, that or our character isn't that special.
What I'm wondering is, how does our character still know how to transform o.o? After the whole entire memory wipe, they should know how to...
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Oizen wrote on 2012-06-19 01:46
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Yeah, I don't think there was any time alteration going on. Everything has occured, they just made everyone forget about it. So pretty much they reset everyone's memory back to like... Hoarfrost Hollow. Most of the mercenaries treat you like a new recruit again and the Royal Army treats you like a mercenary.
As mentioned before: the only memories besides those that got completely erased are those of Keaghen, Tieve, and likely everyone that died during the course of the story (Ellis, Gwynn, Ingkells). However everything they did still occured, like Balwynn mentions having orders that nobody knows the origins of. However Balwynn doesn't show any remorse about Gwynn or Ellis, let alone knowledge of those two.
It's a bit jarring, but it's pretty much what pre-Ainle Vindi was. But minus a few key characters.
I've recorded the ending cutscene and all of the "Still Here:" quest line. I can upload it if anyone wants it that badly, but I'm sure it's already up on Youtube somewhere.
Anyways, this did bring up something I have to wonder about. Just how much does your character remember? It seems like you're wandering around since you remember what happened. But the text about Tieve and such heavily implies that your character also forgot.
That last part with Tieve Keaghan and your character made me think your character remembered with some sudden flashback.
though honestly, what would they do? People barely know your character and would think he/she's mad. I think with Vind ep 2 we'll get an entirely new cast of NPCs, and this was just a way to get our characters deattached to leave.
Either way, this doesnt line up with Mabinogi in the slightest.
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MareneCorp wrote on 2012-06-19 01:48
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Either way, this doesnt line up with Mabinogi in the slightest.
Definitely not, but an interesting path it's going on.
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Oizen wrote on 2012-06-19 01:52
Continuity Issues are everywhere with this though. I mean shouldn't the Dark Knight brotherhood find it odd that this random person they dont even know is part of their ranks (same goes for Paladins really)
I honestly feel there would be too much of a written record on our character for everyone to forget, I mean there should be some sort of wanted poster of Keaghan and us from the Royal Army, we were branded heretics afterall. Hell Im pretty sure a wanted poster is mentioned in ep 9.
Oh well, I've never cared much for vind's story.
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Darkboy132 wrote on 2012-06-19 04:32
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I've recorded the ending cutscene and all of the "Still Here:" quest line. I can upload it if anyone wants it that badly, but I'm sure it's already up on Youtube somewhere.
I can't find anything in Episode 10 that's NA-related.
So, upload, UPLOAD!
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Continuity Issues are everywhere with this though. I mean shouldn't the Dark Knight brotherhood find it odd that this random person they dont even know is part of their ranks (same goes for Paladins really)
I honestly feel there would be too much of a written record on our character for everyone to forget, I mean there should be some sort of wanted poster of Keaghan and us from the Royal Army, we were branded heretics afterall. Hell Im pretty sure a wanted poster is mentioned in ep 9.
Oh well, I've never cared much for vind's story.
Silent Brotherhood* It consists of both Paladins and Dark Knights, although only Naveen and Nyle are confirmed DKs.
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Invertex wrote on 2012-06-19 14:31
It's worth noting that Season 2 is parallel with Season 1. They mentioned you could do Season 2 along with Season 1. While I'd perfer they figure something out to keep the story going, it seems unlikely.
While it doesn't really tie into Mabi at all, it does at least show the gods all doing their own thing.
Also I'm pretty sure you didn't look hard enough, the related videos for this had some. But I already uploaded so here.
[video=youtube;6knd-5YAANA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6knd-5YAANA[/video]
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Oizen wrote on 2012-06-19 16:14
So as far as involved story we're done for good?
Huh. and I was certain that we'd eventually get to go to erinn in Vindictus.
This also sounds like a lot of things S2 are going to be incredibly easy and useless to any lv 70's.
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Invertex wrote on 2012-06-20 00:48
Well that's for the other thread with Season 2 info.
Also I'm starting to lean towards your character remembering.
Chit-chat with Seanna.
"The oracle of the prophecy? I'm sorry but I don't know what you're talking about. Is that a local tale?"
I mean if your character is asking about it, and nobody else remembers, it's probably since they remember.
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MareneCorp wrote on 2012-06-20 01:10
Wait, then, if there is no prophesy, then that means the Silent Brotherhood has no reason for existence, so wouldn't the members be slightly skeptical?
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Invertex wrote on 2012-06-20 01:32
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Wait, then, if there is no prophesy, then that means the Silent Brotherhood has no reason for existence, so wouldn't the members be slightly skeptical?
Who knows, they seem to have left dozens of plot holes by going with the "everyone forgets about the prophecy" business.
People still seem interested in bringing Erinn to the world (as Brynn still mentions Erinn), but that's about it. Nyle just reverts to "Gallagher's one of us, but I don't trust him" and "I have nothing to say" mode.
All I know is that it's weird having a different Inn BGM after a year and a half.
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Darkboy132 wrote on 2012-06-20 01:57
They also forgot Keaghan's dragon...
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Lukeal wrote on 2012-06-20 02:59
Idk with the whole pirate theme and islands in S2 its reminding me alot of Iria and Belvast on Mabinogi. If they go down that route again then that means we won't see get our questions answere until the end of S2. Also just thought of something, if everyone forgot that the heroes did any of that stuff and nobody knows about them in the "future" (supposedly if it ties into mabi) then it would kinda make sense why only the dragons would know what they did and even then legatus only knows that they "fought dragons".
And at the beggining of episode 10 Brynn said somethin about reading a book about "A people who never die, never eat, and never sleep." Wonder if he's talking about milletians...
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Darkboy132 wrote on 2012-06-20 05:38
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And at the beggining of episode 10 Brynn said somethin about reading a book about "A people who never die, never eat, and never sleep." Wonder if he's talking about milletians...
The Paradise Chronicles actually said that?
Anyway I just want to clarify: Did
just eating Verafim's heart really had turned Keaghan into Cichol? Because that's just WTF...
Did the defeat of the three seals not have anything to do with the awakening of Cichol?
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Urikoth wrote on 2012-06-20 08:19
Cichol's unleashment was a byproduct of releasing the seals. Releasing the seals of Beokros and Siglint unsealed Elchulus, which when his seal was broken passively broke Morrighan's seal. Ironically, Keaghan not only failed preventing Morrighan's awakening, but accelerated it. Cichol was born after Keaghan broke the barrier of humanity by eating Verafim's heart, which causes the summoning of the dark god. By this, Keaghan inherited all of Cichol's power and ability, yet retained his personality. Basically what this makes it sound like is that everything he's ever done has been under the intention of bringing back Tieve. With that in mind, I'm doubly pissed that they cut off the main storyline in Mabinogi after Cichol began to inherit the power of an Absolute God. Considering that was Nuadha's intention in Falias, it can be assumed that Cichol sought out the same power.
It seems likely that Verafim had in fact taken over Elchulus's body after his heart was consumed. (I don't know about you, but mostly dead bodies don't keep talking).
Also, the goal of the Silent Brotherhood was not to uphold the prophecy, keep in mind that they're the ones who know that it's not true, but rather to protect the Oracle. Considering the Oracle has fulfilled the prophecy, I really don't know how the Brotherhood will continue.
As for not getting to Erinn, well, we were there the whole time. Elchulus states that they (you, Keaghan, and Tieve) are in Erinn right now (while you guys are in Heide). This is supported by Legatus' saying that Lann, Fiona, and three other warriors fought the dragons long ago. It would be impossible for him to know this if it occured in a different world. But then you might say, Erinn is a paradise and people don't die. Wrong. People have died in the Mabinogi storyline. It's likely that there had yet to be Milletians in Erinn at this time, however there are the Tuathe De Annans (mortal humans living in Erinn), so it's likely that the majority of the NPC's, if not, all, are Tuathe De Annans. It's a little bit difficult to discern whether or not the playable characters are Milletians. It can be assumed that because they did not appear in Mabinogi, nor posess the capability of rebirthing, that they in fact are not Milletians. Just really, really good fighters.