Anti-Japanese Demonstrations in China

• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-09-18 22:02

  Quote from Chiyuri;952918:

  I also understand this, but from a logical moralistic point of view, I don't see Japan has holding the blame for it. I understand why people mgiht coem to think it's Japan's fault.. but deep down to the logic of it, people in the end are responsible in the actions they take. Stupidity and Sheepness are never going to be valid logical reason to use in an argument of what is Right to do.
  But that's just my way of thinking as someone who doesn't get influhenced by others and so cannot understand the way of life of people who do.

  
  
  If this turns into a war, and the war ends, the war crimes will most definitely go straight to the leaders of Japan for instigating this problem.
  
  Chain of events as follows:
  
  1. Chinese are restless due to their government caving to Japanese diplomatic pressure on the territorial claims of the islands
  2. Chinese begin protests
  3. Chinese are constantly making threats and are on the verge of tipping towards violence
  4. Japan says "lol try it" and nationalizes the islands
  5. Mob
  6. Looting and Pillagings
  
  I mean the people who are acting out in violence should be arrested and charged individually. I'm not saying let them go scotch free and place all the crime on the guys in Japan. Thats ridiculous.
  
  But if this turns out to be something big, then in 50 years from now we're going to look into history and we'll all know who is to blame.
  
  Whats really peculiar about this case are the two things:
  
  Why did Japan do this? I'm going to guess its a publicity move from senile leaders desperate to rouse some nationalism for re-election.
  Why isn't China stopping this? I'm going to guess this outcry is actually convenient for them. The Police haven't even interfered once, and there are big organizations actually distributing things to throw at buildings/people.
  
  Foreign embassies have been attacked, people have been killed, and its only escalating. The Chinese might even be using this as an excuse to do something drastic. Their Navy has surrounded the island, after all.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-09-18 22:09

  Quote from Knightmehre;952921:

  You would have a foreign country like the US involved in a territorial dispute among two countries? That is one wrong statement my friend

  
  
  They're always begging the US to get involved, but the US has never shown even an ounce of interest in this conflict...
  
  I'd say if things escalate, the only way the US gets involved is if NK gets involved. Which China might call on.
• Yoorah wrote on 2012-09-19 02:42
  The Chinese government is already trying to stop the protests. They don't want things to get out of control for their own sake. But at the same time, they don't want to look weak or whatever in the eyes of their own people. Sucks for them; they got themselves into this mess with their nationalistic obsession.
  
  China can't send their military there because the islands currently belong to and are controlled by Japan (regardless of the recent purchase). Unless there's been new developments (I didn't follow this for the past day or so), the boats they sent were just reconnaissance vessels.
  
  China basically can't start a war over this even if it wanted to, thanks to the US-Japan security treaty. What China can do is mount an economic offensive, but they've been doing this already, so whatever. (Think back to the rare earths export bans, done so that shitty Chinese companies would have monopolies over the supply--preventing Japanese manufacturers with superior quality and technology from competing with them.) Adopting this kind of asshole policy more broadly would hurt China in the long term, however, so I doubt they'll go too deeply down this path.
  
  IMO, Japan did the right move. The islands were Japanese territory already, and China should just accept and get over it. I mean, if China had its way, they'd own Taiwan too. Taiwanese: Eww, do not want.
• Drizzit wrote on 2012-09-19 04:43
  All this fuss over a few puny islands. It's just silly.
• Mentosftw wrote on 2012-09-19 05:11
  It's easier to look at current events and how human behavior plays into all of this if you just keep the mindset that everyone is an idiot.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-09-19 09:36

  Quote from Drizzit;953086:

  All this fuss over a few puny islands. It's just silly.

  
  
  The true significance of those islands come with the sea territory it comes with. You can't just fish wherever you want you know. The amount of "land" you gain is absolutely nuts.
• Rin wrote on 2012-09-19 14:27
  Yes, more islands to dispute over, China.
  
  As if Japan is the only country you have diplomatic disputes with over island territory.
  
  That being said, I have no sides to choose from either. The methods of both sides leave little to be desired.
• Froglord wrote on 2012-09-20 23:34
  Anti-japanese demonstrations in china = Everyone deleting their hentai folders.