Bella vs Lann

• Invertex wrote on 2012-10-17 00:11

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;964337:

  I kind of remember Karok being OP when he was out.

  
  
  I think the only reason for that was that they felt his roll was too easy to use, his offensive and defensive capabilities were all fairly average (or above average) aside from that. He's always been a good character, it's just that he's not that amazing at anything in particular.
  
  Also worth noting that as it stands currently/for S2, the most powerful characters are both varieties of Lann, Kai, Sword Fiona, Vella, and Staff Evie. That's 50/50 between male and female characters.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2012-10-17 00:50

  Quote from MareneCorp;964284:

  As a rule of all games in the world ever, newly released (female) characters are always overpowered.

  
  
  I've played Grand Chase and Elsword long enough to know that's true.
  
  

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  So, I haven't looked at Vella's skillset yet but I can probably see a whole lot of similarity in skills, just a differently tuned playstyle.

  
  
  I do note a lot of similarities as well, but I don't really see how Sword Lann can top his female counterpart. Bella has three defensive abilities, Lann has one. Bella has one additional buff. And I'm pretty sure Bella is unaffected by delays while Lann has a few.
  
  I also can't really see how offensive Sword Lann can be if his moveset's quite limited, too. Then again, I barely play Swords.
• Invertex wrote on 2012-10-17 01:05

  I've played Grand Chase and Elsword long enough to know that's true.

  
  At risk of going off topic, Chung. Also how they've just been buffing Elsword/Raven.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;964387:

  I do note a lot of similarities as well, but I don't really see how Sword Lann can top his female counterpart. Bella has three defensive abilities, Lann has one. Bella has one additional buff. And I'm pretty sure Bella is unaffected by delays while Lann has a few.
  
  I also can't really see how offensive Sword Lann can be if his moveset's quite limited, too. Then again, I barely play Swords.

  
  
  Cestus Karok has 3 major buffs as well as a way to remove debuffs, that doesn't make him amazing. I'm pretty sure Vella's automatically stacking buff is only directly related to the strength of her counter as well, so it won't help outside of it.
  
  And again, you also don't need 3 different types of dodges. Any class with invincibility is good, and that's that. You don't need much more than Pummel Storm, GF/LF, and Double Crescent on Sword Lann to get top damage. I do feel Vella is probably a bit too strong, but I don't think she outclasses Sword Lann by a sizeable enough amount to get worried.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2012-10-17 03:53

  Quote from Invertex;964391:

  At risk of going off topic, Chung. Also how they've just been buffing Elsword/Raven.

  
  
  Haven't really PvPed since Chung came out, so I can't really determine how OP he would be. And Elsword/Raven are without Way of the Sword/Ignition, so they're still outmatched by the female characters.
  
  

  Quote from Invertex;964391:

  Cestus Karok has 3 major buffs as well as a way to remove debuffs, that doesn't make him amazing. I'm pretty sure Vella's automatically stacking buff is only directly related to the strength of her counter as well, so it won't help outside of it.

  
  
  Just how strong are Cestus Karok's buffs and how strong are Bella's?
• RealityBreak wrote on 2012-10-17 03:57

  Quote from Invertex;964364:

  I think the only reason for that was that they felt his roll was too easy to use, his offensive and defensive capabilities were all fairly average (or above average) aside from that. He's always been a good character, it's just that he's not that amazing at anything in particular.
  
  Also worth noting that as it stands currently/for S2, the most powerful characters are both varieties of Lann, Kai, Sword Fiona, Vella, and Staff Evie. That's 50/50 between male and female characters.

  
  
  Isn't that like... All character variations but two?
• Invertex wrote on 2012-10-17 03:59
  Cestus buffs are.
  +10% Attack Speed (so about 20 AS)
  +1200 Att
  100% Critical on next 3 smashes
  
  Vella's only buff is (to my knowledge) a boost in her Cross Counter percentile and allowing her to do it twice while going through enemies.
  
  
  In short, just because buffs exist and/or have big numbers does not necessarily mean the character is broken and OP and such. Cestus is still bottom 3 for sure.
  
  

  Quote from RealityBreak;964483:

  Isn't that like... All character variations but two?

  
  
  Pillar Karok, Cestus Karok, Hammer Fiona, Scythe Evie. There's a relatively large gap between Spear/Vella/Kai/Swords and Hammer/Pillar now, so that's really where the biggest damage divide is. Staff Evie sort of gets pushed up with the Top 5 due to the fact she can corona, revive, and has some range: that's literally her only strengths post Ignition. Her damage is easily below Pillar/Hammer, and maybe even Scythe.
  
  Take it as a top half/bottom half. With Staff being in a really weird position of being the only thing remotely close to a support character in this game.
  
  Mostly personal opinion though, but it's based off quite a bit of play and sifting through numbers.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-10-17 07:00
  Move up staves on the list for S2, it seems like paradise for them. Everything they're good at seems to be put to the most use and everything everyone else is bad at doesn't affect them so much. Massive relative survivability boost with mana shields, imo, if people will have issues defense stacking. Keaghan situation amplified, basically.
  
  Move down spears if they can't defense stack. If they have to not be attacking 75% of the time then they're stuck in an awful position.
• TheBoulder wrote on 2012-10-18 12:56

  Quote from Darkboy132;964387:

  counterpart. Bella has three defensive abilities, Lann has one. Bella has one additional buff. And I'm pretty sure Bella is unaffected by delays while Lann has a few.

  
  The only truly decent defensive ability Vella possesses is Backlash. Her slip dash probably has equivalent range and invinc as slip+nimble dash, but it is less controllable and has a significantly higher recovery. Her counter only works if your character is facing the attack as it hits, and damage is mediocre when you're not at maximum buff. Buff is lost if you get hit while not in super armor, so you need to be perfect.
  Lann can cancel just about every single one of his smashes into Slip Dash or jumping; Vella can only jump cancel a few at best.
  
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;964387:

  I also can't really see how offensive Sword Lann can be if his moveset's quite limited, too. Then again, I barely play Swords.

  
  I'm starting to think that people just see the fact that Vella uses twin swords and instantly assume that she will play identical to Lann, because anyone who has actually played Vella to some extent will know that their playstyles are in fact actually different. Vella is a character that deals damage while constantly kiting the boss, and try to avoid using slip and counter because they have massive recovery, and takes away buff respectively. Lann is a character that will constantly smash the boss's face, using Slip Dash to stay in the boss's grill. He doesn't need a large variety of moves to be offensive; his Pummel Storm and Double Crescent are more than plenty offensive enough.
  
  But if you're really that concerned that Vella will replace Lann, then by all means quit your Lann and transfer your swords to Vella. Maybe you'll play and realise that there is no real comparison between the characters after doing that.