So when will the inevitable ragnarok chapter come?

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Froglord wrote on 2012-10-16 19:40

According to mabinogi lore, the unforgiving world (the world of vindictus) is burned to the ground leaving almost no life, except for demons, rampid disease and carnage everywhere and anywhere.

When do you suppose this will occure in the plot?
Knightmehre wrote on 2012-10-16 19:47

vindictus is the prequel to mabinogi, so it probably happened already and you are currently living in Erinn (morrigan and cichol are already established etc)

also:

How the heck....This is just a bombshell. If you don't know where this came from, this is from Vindictus Website. So this basically confirms that Erinn and the world of Vindictus is the one and the same

Erinn is mabinogi world (which is actually tir na nog in mabinogi lore) and tir na nog had already been evacuated.
MareneCorp wrote on 2012-10-16 20:04

You might also keep in mind that the two run on two different... I forget the name... worlds? Vindictus' storyline doesn't quite exactly match up to what happens in Mabinogi's, so Ragnarok might not ever come to Vindictus. I don't think the heroes are told to have fought pirates (Season 2) in Mabinogian lore either. Also, Mabinogi only names the first two original heroes, Lann and Fiona. There's also Karok, Evie, Kai, and Vella, possibly even more. I believe Mabinogi only states 4 or 5 heroes total.
Knightmehre wrote on 2012-10-16 20:05

Quote from MareneCorp;964279:
You might also keep in mind that the two run on two different... I forget the name... worlds? Vindictus' storyline doesn't quite exactly match up to what happens in Mabinogi's, so Ragnarok might not ever come to Vindictus. I don't think the heroes are told to have fought pirates (Season 2) in Mabinogian lore either.

well keep in mind the game takes place a significant amount of time before mabinogi, and obviously all lore isn't carried over to the next game or vice versa.

They are different games, but vindictus is definitely the prequel of mabinogi in terms of direct lore.
MareneCorp wrote on 2012-10-16 20:09

Quote from Knightmehre;964280:
well keep in mind the game takes place a significant amount of time before mabinogi, and obviously all lore isn't carried over to the next game or vice versa.

They are different games, but vindictus is definitely the prequel of mabinogi in terms of direct lore.

What is direct lore? (Sorry, I just don't keep up with Mabinogi's storyline :oops: )

I believe that there was a part in G16 or something where the story of how Morrighan and Cichol opened up the gates to Erinn doesn't match up with what the Vindictus storyline implies, if that's... lore. :XD:
Knightmehre wrote on 2012-10-16 20:22

Quote from MareneCorp;964281:
What is direct lore? (Sorry, I just don't keep up with Mabinogi's storyline :oops: )

I believe that there was a part in G16 or something where the story of how Morrighan and Cichol opened up the gates to Erinn doesn't match up with what the Vindictus storyline implies, if that's... lore. :XD:

Unfortunately I can't dispute that because I can't for the life of me remember. The wiki page on the storyline also only goes so far because it is not updated

http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Mabinogi_Storyline_Recap
MareneCorp wrote on 2012-10-16 20:38

Quote from Knightmehre;964290:
Unfortunately I can't dispute that because I can't for the life of me remember. The wiki page on the storyline also only goes so far because it is not updated

http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Mabinogi_Storyline_Recap

From what I remember is (Major spoilers for both games' storylines)

[SPOILER="Spoiler"]In Vindictus, Tieve (Embodiment of Morrighan) goes to Heide with Keaghan (Embodiment of Darkness, Cichol) and fight a huge dragon, Keaghan eats Verafim's heart to gain immense dark power, only for Verafim to cheat him out and enter the original Fomorian god Elchulus' body to gain control. Keaghan then becomes Cichol (Though I forget exactly how, I think it was something having to do with his soul or his destiny) and goes through a void portal thing saying he will prevent Erinn from ever coming, labelling it as a false promise or hope. Tieve then grows wings and black hair, becoming Morrighan (Again, forget how... it's been too long D: ) and disappearing, apologizing after Keaghan has disappeared. At this point, the current storyline of Vindictus ends and everybody forgets who Tieve and Keaghan are, and the entire legend of the prophecy, the promise of Erinn, disappears from everyone's memory.

Now in Mabinogi (Coming straight from G16) Cichol and Morrighan are young kids that decided to go have some fun or something, and find this secret place to be together. Getting older, older, something (Forgot what) doesn't work out and they are forced to split, I think it was a dispute over the humans and/or Milletians or Fomors. (After this point I'm blank.)

Tieve and Keaghan are adults in the Vindictus storyline, and have connections to many people (also started out as humans) whereas you start Mabinogi's storyline with Morrighan and Cichol as children, simply finding a hole and never really telling if they had any other friends or something. You also never know how Morrighan and Cichol came to be gods, or if they were ever something else at all. Some similarities, however, are that in both storylines the two are in love/have affection for the other, they're both gods (though I might add, in Vindictus' storyline Elchulus the Dragon, or Verafim who possesses him, was the Fomorian god, not Cichol) and Erinn was brought because of them (Keaghan's destiny was simply to let it happen, I believe).[/SPOILER]

Sorry for the long post.
:bow:

Looking back, I think I have no idea what I'm saying. Perhaps someone more well-informed could clean up the storylines for me.
Elleanior wrote on 2012-10-16 20:56

Quote from MareneCorp;964298:
From what I remember is (Major spoilers for both games' storylines)

[SPOILER="Spoiler"]In Vindictus, Tieve (Embodiment of Morrighan) goes to Heide with Keaghan (Embodiment of Darkness, Cichol) and fight a huge dragon, Keaghan eats Verafim's heart to gain immense dark power, only for Verafim to cheat him out and enter the original Fomorian god Elchulus' body to gain control. Keaghan then becomes Cichol (Though I forget exactly how, I think it was something having to do with his soul or his destiny) and goes through a void portal thing saying he will prevent Erinn from ever coming, labelling it as a false promise or hope. Tieve then grows wings and black hair, becoming Morrighan (Again, forget how... it's been too long D: ) and disappearing, apologizing after Keaghan has disappeared. At this point, the current storyline of Vindictus ends and everybody forgets who Tieve and Keaghan are, and the entire legend of the prophecy, the promise of Erinn, disappears from everyone's memory.

Now in Mabinogi (Coming straight from G16) Cichol and Morrighan are young kids that decided to go have some fun or something, and find this secret place to be together. Getting older, older, something (Forgot what) doesn't work out and they are forced to split, I think it was a dispute over the humans and/or Milletians or Fomors. (After this point I'm blank.)

Tieve and Keaghan are adults in the Vindictus storyline, and have connections to many people (also started out as humans) whereas you start Mabinogi's storyline with Morrighan and Cichol as children, simply finding a hole and never really telling if they had any other friends or something. You also never know how Morrighan and Cichol came to be gods, or if they were ever something else at all. Some similarities, however, are that in both storylines the two are in love/have affection for the other, they're both gods (though I might add, in Vindictus' storyline Elchulus the Dragon, or Verafim who possesses him, was the Fomorian god, not Cichol) and Erinn was brought because of them (Keaghan's destiny was simply to let it happen, I believe).[/SPOILER]

Sorry for the long post.
:bow:

Looking back, I think I have no idea what I'm saying. Perhaps someone more well-informed could clean up the storylines for me.

There was a theory floating about a while ago that the representation of Morrighan and Cichol as children could be simply for the sake of stating that it was in the past, seeing as they're adults by now. (A sense of "innocence", perhaps? It could also be for the purpose of not spoiling Vindictus's plot.

And your story recap includes everything that was obvious enough. There's a lot of details that aren't explained....
i.e., Tieve was Morrighan's vessel from the start, that was already determined, but what about Keaghan. Was he always to be Cichol's incarnation as well, or did it just get designated by Verafim, or is Keaghan actually Cichol (or did he just merge w/ Cichol?)... So many things explained, and so much that needs exlpaining!!
Invertex wrote on 2012-10-17 00:19

Well, wait 2 years of Season 3 to actually come, provided they don't mess up Season 2 too badly!

By the way.
[SPOILER="Spoiler"]Remember that Tieve and Keaghen were childhood friends. Based off your recap (I can't say I remember either game's story particularly well since I've been playing Vindi for 2 years and I never finished that many generations in Mabi), it could simply be that we're coming in at the point where they're both growing older and such. Time frames are a bit wonky and all.[/SPOILER]
Dracius wrote on 2012-10-17 01:35

PLOT TWIST: Vindictus is actually an alternate timeline.
Oizen wrote on 2012-10-17 01:48

Mabi vindi dont line up.

IN VINDI:
[spoiler]
Morrighan and Cichol are created(?) from Tieve nad Keaghan
[/spoiler]

IN MABI
[spoiler]
Morrighan and Cichol are childhood god friends who had a fight and now hate eachother's guts[/spoiler]

I dont think Nexon cares to keep the mabi continuity anymore.
Episkey wrote on 2012-10-17 02:46

Actually. Before the events of Ragnarok - we need Fimbulvetr!

Does Bero-chan count? :c

In all seriousness, that does bring up an excellent point. I want to know how Season 3 decides to handle the story, since I think it occurs 2/3 years after the ending of Season 1?

Admittedly, total destruction doesn't make for very interesting gameplay.
Invertex wrote on 2012-10-17 02:48

Quote from Episkey;964453:
In all seriousness, that does bring up an excellent point. I want to know how Season 3 decides to handle the story, since I think it occurs 2/3 years after the ending of Season 1?

Admittedly, total destruction doesn't make for very interesting gameplay.

Season 3 will pick up where Season 1 left of. The 2/3 years is my estimate in real time for the update to actually release, after Season 1. I say that since S2 is likely going to take about as long as S1 did, and S1 actually took quite a bit over 2 years to conclude.
Froglord wrote on 2012-10-17 03:34

Looking at the colhen map from the dock, it also opens up a crap-ton of potential content based on the location of albey (south east corner) and the rest of the map where the gnoll and kobold tribes resided in the far north west.

There is also Anile, which is almost directly west of Albey to which could be potential content in Mabinogi.

But that's just speculating..

Anyway, If they do bring an ultimate end to everything, how will they handle end-game players who are like "oh hey, the world is burning! TIME TO FIGHT THE FINAL BOSS!", but then get transported back before it happened once they finish.

A bit off-topic: I think season 2 will establish either Neimhane or macha and season 3 Nuadha.