Petition on Whitehouse.gov for Louisiana to Leave the Union

• Drizzit wrote on 2012-11-13 01:59

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;980236:

  i AM NOT A DEMOCRAT!

  
  
  ME NEITHER!
  
  Also, 80% sure that this is a troll petition made by 4chan. I saw a thread about something like this yesterday.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-11-13 02:24

  Quote from OizenX;980229:

  
  Obama is pushing socialism with his Obama care, and a lot of people who dont pay attention to anything seem perfectly ok with the tax increases that are apart of it, even though they have no business being with the bill itself. That and the expiration of the Bush tax cuts are gonna lead to a pretty huge tax spike under Obama, and many people already think Obama can't handle his money.
  
  He promised to half our debt in our first four years, and he ended up spending more than every single president before him combined, and now he's just going to have more.
  

  
  First of all Obama promised to reduce the deficit in half
  not the debt
  [video=youtube;6jJvkkNmR_8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6jJvkkNmR_8[/video]
  The deficit has been reduced, but slightly
  
  and the extension of the bush tax cuts contributed more to the deficit than Obama's spending according to the Treasury Department
  http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/Documents/20120229_EssentialEcon.PDF
  
  Bush tax cuts contributed $3 trillion to the deficit
  while Obama's policy is only $1.4 trillion
  
  Obama should extend the tax cuts for the lower and middle class
  while removing tax cuts on those with income above $250,000
• Nithiel wrote on 2012-11-13 03:24
  There are now 15 states doing this, including Texas, Florida, and New York.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-11-13 04:11
  so all of them weren't serious
• Nithiel wrote on 2012-11-13 05:03

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;980261:

  
  Obama should extend the tax cuts for the lower and middle class
  while removing tax cuts on those with income above $250,000

  
  
  That's what he wants to do, but the Republicans in congress won't stand for it and are turning him down at every side.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2012-11-13 15:05
  *looks at petitions that are there now*
  
  *laughs hysterically*
  
  Ya, there's no way these can be serious.
  
  My personal favorite "Deport Everyone That Signed a Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America."
  
  At this rate, I think every state is going to have one of these stupid petitions.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-11-13 15:11
  Surprise! The deficit was actually reduced much more significantly than the "slight change" that we all see, for one very important reason.
  
  During the time Bush was in office, he had actually done a very clever little scheme, where military spending, foreign spending, defense spending were all EXCLUDED from the calculations. When Obama took office, he had actually abolished this inaccurate method of totaling the deficit, but in turn got burdened with the true numbers, which were significantly greater than what we were all familiar with when Bush left the office.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2012-11-13 17:34

  Quote from Cucurbita;980457:

  Surprise! The deficit was actually reduced much more significantly than the "slight change" that we all see, for one very important reason.
  
  During the time Bush was in office, he had actually done a very clever little scheme, where military spending, foreign spending, defense spending were all EXCLUDED from the calculations. When Obama took office, he had actually abolished this inaccurate method of totaling the deficit, but in turn got burdened with the true numbers, which were significantly greater than what we were all familiar with when Bush left the office.

  
  
  Sneaky bastard. Well that's really really cheap and of course the Republicans aren't going to acknowledge that and the average american who doesn't research their facts before casting their vote and spouting off nonsense will never know either.
• Oizen wrote on 2012-11-13 19:22

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;980236:

  i AM NOT A DEMOCRAT!

  
  I'm not the only one :o
  
  I'm not republican either though, I'm "Oh god why is everyone so blind into thinking "Repulican = Bad, Democrat = Good".
  
  Its Republican = Bad, Democrat = Bad. America = Fucked up the butt.
  
  

  Quote from ValkyrieHamster;980232:

  
  This is only true if you ignore all the mitigating circumstances that helped to inflate the amount that "he spent" in his first term. The rest I won't deem to comment on because it'll just start a flame war that'll end up being liberal socialist vs bible toting reactionaries. The problem with politics today is that too many people from both parties are too confrontational and refuse to compromise on anything. Forgetting that the United States was founded on compromise.

  
  
  Welcome to the United States of America. Where our politic system is more simplistic than kindergarten students fighting on a play ground.
  
  
  

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;980261:

  First of all Obama promised to reduce the deficit in half
  not the debt
  *video*
  The deficit has been reduced, but slightly
  
  and the extension of the bush tax cuts contributed more to the deficit than Obama's spending according to the Treasury Department
  http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/Documents/20120229_EssentialEcon.PDF
  
  Bush tax cuts contributed $3 trillion to the deficit
  while Obama's policy is only $1.4 trillion
  
  Obama should extend the tax cuts for the lower and middle class
  while removing tax cuts on those with income above $250,000

  
  
  So those words aren't interchangable? Guess I'll have to look that up.
  
  
  Second of all, I'm referring to Obama's quote that there will be no tax changes for people who make less than a certain ammount per year. With those tax cuts expiring and the Obama care taxes, thats just a bunch of BS from him.
  
  

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;980261:

  
  Obama should extend the tax cuts for the lower and middle class
  while removing tax cuts on those with income above $250,000

  
  Here here for punishing the successful.
  
  After taxing those people, they'll have less money for their business, and they won't be hiring as much, or better yet they'll have to lay people off. But you're probably right, thats totally what this country needs right now. Even less jobs.
  
  Do you honestly think these rich people are just going to take less money? Or are they just going to make the cuts accordingly?
• Nithiel wrote on 2012-11-13 19:40

  Quote from OizenX;980585:

  Second of all, I'm referring to Obama's quote that there will be no tax changes for people who make less than a certain ammount per year. With those tax cuts expiring and the Obama care taxes, thats just a bunch of BS from him.

  
  
  Wrong. Obama is trying to extend the Bush tax cuts for people who make less then (250k a year if I remember right) while letting them expire for the people who make over that amount. HOWEVER. the Repulican congress ruled by rich people aren't having that shit and keep cock blocking him, telling him that they will not stand for even a .0000001% tax increase on the rich and therefore will not agree to any plan that includes such a thing.
  
  

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• paladin wrote on 2012-11-13 20:11

  Quote from OizenX;980585:

  I'm not the only one :o
  
  I'm not republican either though, I'm "Oh god why is everyone so blind into thinking "Repulican = Bad, Democrat = Good".
  
  Its Republican = Bad, Democrat = Bad. America = Fucked up the butt.
  
  
  
  Welcome to the United States of America. Where our politic system is more simplistic than kindergarten students fighting on a play ground.
  
  
  
  
  So those words aren't interchangable? Guess I'll have to look that up.
  
  
  Second of all, I'm referring to Obama's quote that there will be no tax changes for people who make less than a certain ammount per year. With those tax cuts expiring and the Obama care taxes, thats just a bunch of BS from him.
  
  
  Here here for punishing the successful.
  
  After taxing those people, they'll have less money for their business, and they won't be hiring as much, or better yet they'll have to lay people off. But you're probably right, thats totally what this country needs right now. Even less jobs.
  
  Do you honestly think these rich people are just going to take less money? Or are they just going to make the cuts accordingly?

  
  
  Are you assuming they will automaticly hire people?
  A rich person could very well sit on his butt with his money and keep this company at his state
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-11-13 21:07

  Quote from OizenX;980585:

  
  Here here for punishing the successful.
  
  After taxing those people, they'll have less money for their business, and they won't be hiring as much, or better yet they'll have to lay people off. But you're probably right, thats totally what this country needs right now. Even less jobs.
  
  Do you honestly think these rich people are just going to take less money? Or are they just going to make the cuts accordingly?

  
  
  false
  if their income tax goes up, they'll give themselves smaller salaries and spend the business' money on buying new equipment, or maybe hire (the least likely outcome)
  Thats how they handled the 39.6% income tax during the Clinton era
  They don't hire more people if don't need to. Those 2 guys running the store just has to work harder
  Also they dont invest money during a bad time in the economy (you invest when economy is good so that you're sure that you'll get the money back and the interest rates would be higher)
  they just save on offshore accounts. It's called the Double Irish with a Dutch Sandwich
  http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/28/business/Double-Irish-With-A-Dutch-Sandwich.html
  
  According to the Congressional Budget Office
  (which is run by Republicans, including Paul Ryan)
  http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/11-08-12-FiscalTightening.pdf
  
  If they extend the Bush tax cuts for all tax brackets except the highest two
  there will be a projected 1.6 million job growth
  and 1.3% in GDP growth
  
  If they extend the Bush tax cuts for those two top tax brackets alone.
  there will only be a projected 0.2 million job growth
  and 0.1% in GDP growth
  
  now it's Congress' choice to vote and pass the bill that would affect this countries' tax cuts
• Nithiel wrote on 2012-11-13 22:27
  Really the congress has two options, stop being stubborn and learn to compromise with the president, or come January 1st ALL our taxes will go up a LOT AND there will be massive spending cuts because of the debt-ceiling.
• Lan wrote on 2012-11-13 22:49
  Texas' petition has 75 thousand or so signatures.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-11-13 23:13
  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/opinion/rubin-deluding-ourselves-over-the-fiscal-cliff.html
  
  tldr: "President Bill Clinton’s 1993 deficit reduction plan increased income tax rates for roughly the top 1.2 percent of incomes. Opponents said this would lead to recession. Instead, we had enormous job creation and the longest economic expansion in our history."
  
  The answers all lie in history, no one ever references it though.