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Spartaaaaa wrote on 2010-07-29 18:08
Synthesizing battle short sword, two-handed sword and claymore to make a battle short sword is not equivalent exchange! I also synthesized 3 black smith manuals together and got wool! GG Nexon.:ghost::barf::doom::died::stress::tea:
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Chiri wrote on 2010-07-29 18:47
But in FMA, they prove there isn't equivalent exchange~
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Zid wrote on 2010-07-29 19:25
Like how it takes 5 Copper Ingots to "convert" into 1 Silver Ingot?
It's not a closed system, so equivalent exchange is virtually impossible. You get matter/energy lost when trying to change the molecular structure in an open system.
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Hiccup wrote on 2010-07-29 19:25
This is LIFE not some anime >:l
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Chiri wrote on 2010-07-29 19:31
Quote from bradstrt;109814:
This is fantasy LIFE not some anime >:l
Fixed~
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Chockeh wrote on 2010-07-29 20:42
Well...
At least you can have the suit from FMA.
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Cucurbita wrote on 2010-07-30 04:48
"Equivalent Exchange" is purely Full Metal Alchemist.
And has nothing to do with "alchemy" itself.
Alchemy was the practice of turning metals to gold, and to find the methods of creating life extending methods. In this sense, it makes no sense that equivalent exchange would apply at all.
Besides, the entire journey of FMA was to prove that equivalent exchange was wrong.
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Okitaru wrote on 2010-07-30 04:53
Quote from Margatroid;110693:
"Equivalent Exchange" is purely Full Metal Alchemist.
And has nothing to do with "alchemy" itself.
Alchemy was the practice of turning metals to gold, and to find the methods of creating life extending methods. In this sense, it makes no sense that equivalent exchange would apply at all.
Besides, the entire journey of FMA was to prove that equivalent exchange was wrong.
This.
Some beliefs of alchemy branched towards the idea of magic rather than anything even, while some were based on what was quoted above.
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Andy-Buddy wrote on 2010-07-30 05:02
Quote from Zid;109813:
Like how it takes 5 Copper Ingots to "convert" into 1 Silver Ingot?
It's not a closed system, so equivalent exchange is virtually impossible. You get matter/energy lost when trying to change the molecular structure in an open system.
Then again, you could turn Iron Ore into Copper Ingots, so that's not bad.
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Zid wrote on 2010-07-30 05:14
Quote from Andy-Buddy;110725:
Then again, you could turn Iron Ore into Copper Ingots, so that's not bad.
You can't. Except for Unknown -> Iron, any metal "advancing" to a "higher level" of metal must be of the same solid state.
For example, you can only get Silver Ingots by converting Copper Ingots only. You cannot get it with Copper Ore or Copper Ore Fragments, but only Copper Ingots.
The only metal that can used for any state is Unknown Ore Fragment -> Iron Ore/Ore Fragment/Ingot.
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Taycat wrote on 2010-07-30 10:23
Lol you and your thinking everything in Anime is right :3
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Kueh wrote on 2010-08-08 20:43
First off, devCAT, not Nexon, makes the game content.
Secondly, decCAT obviously painted their own form of alchemy (Spoiler*Where the source of power for alchemical transmutations comes from the dark erg that is supplied by Noitar Arat, Palala's opposite, the dark sun of the shadow realm.)
Since it's their own idea, they get to make their own alchemy do whatever they want.
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Bwee wrote on 2010-09-01 05:38
Quote from Chiri;109787:
But in FMA, they prove there isn't equivalent exchange~
lol spoiler alert.
Anyway, I believe everyone has covered the subject thoroughly, sorry if this is necro posting, but I had to lookey here with that subject line. =w=
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Fracture wrote on 2010-09-09 20:00
Like it's been said-- it IS equivalent exchange, but a good portion of the matter is lost due to it being an open system or used for energy due to the fact that quite often, you're not just melding materials into a different form, you're actually changing the material which requires changing the atomic structure which, in turn, requires INSANE amounts of energy
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Iyasenu wrote on 2010-09-10 21:04
Quote from Fracture;150680:
Like it's been said-- it IS equivalent exchange, but a good portion of the matter is lost due to it being an open system or used for energy due to the fact that quite often, you're not just melding materials into a different form, you're actually changing the material which requires changing the atomic structure which, in turn, requires INSANE amounts of STEAM energy
or a steam oven, apparently.