Will you play without Giants and elves?...

• BizarreJuju wrote on 2013-01-14 07:14
  I see a human-like character that is way taller than the humans characters. They seem like my giant and there is a female :D
• Mystickskye wrote on 2013-01-14 08:35
  Copypasta from old thread:

  Anyone complaining that this isn't a Mabinogi replacement is dumb because it's not meant to be a Mabinogi, they can do this with the current Mabinogi and not make replacement. It's meant to exist alongside Mabinogi and Mabinogi Heroes/Vindictus and presents a different sort of game compared to either (also do people even remember what mabi essentially was back in C1?). If you don't like it you don't have to play! Your option is to continue playing Mabinogi!
  
  Anyway regarding the video, from left to right the four characters are labelled:
  Ringring
  Weapon Class: Wandering minstrel
  Fighting Style: Trickster
  Character Body: Shorty
  
  Nonomi
  Weapon Class: Prosecutor (???)
  Fighting Style: Landwalker
  Character Body: (can't make it out)
  
  Sparrow
  Weapon Class: Archer
  Fighting Style: Technician
  Character Body: Slender
  
  Dark Colossus
  Weapon Class: Warrior/fighter
  Fighting Style: (dunno, bear dragger?)
  Character Body: I think hunk? O_o

  These characters in question were premade for the demo . The demo itself is an extremely basic demo of the basic gameplay, it doesn't even showcase the "arena" aspect of the dungeons nor any others which may or may not exist (eg, crafting, an overworld, life skills, etc). Going by information elsewhere you pick one of five weapon classes, one of five fighting styles and one of five body types. Using the above as an example, you might have an Archer with a Trickster fighting style and the Dark Colossus's body type. Or a Warrior Technician Shorty. Assuming any one choice doesn't exclude the others this makes for 125 different combinations. Assuming that for combat gameplay the body type makes little or no difference and it's primarily weapon class and fighting style which determines how your character plays there's still 25 possible combinations.
  
  Lore wise this doesn't take place in the world of Mabinogi that we know, instead in takes place in "Avalon" with little detail as to what exactly entails Avalon (it could be a whole new world/dimension/universe, it could be a yet undiscovered island in Erinn, it could be a special space like soul stream). As such it might as well be that certain "rules" that we know in regards to the races in Mabinogi don't apply in Mabinogi II (eg, giants are from Physis, elves are from Connous). The major lore is that the Gods (so far, Nuadha, Cichol, Morrighan, Macha and Neamhain are all shown in promotional art along with a female garbed in similar fashion to Cichol called Ehune) are waging a proxy war (someone else does the fighting in their place) and the milletians are involved. So it may well be that giants/elves human are merely a cosmetic choice and little else.

  Quote from Midyin;1013544:

  I hear that. like I just said in another thread
  
  
  If they are making a an altogether different game, then why even call it Mabinogi?...

  If they were going to make a better version of Mabinogi, they'd do it with Mabinogi and not make it a separate new game. It's not like families of games with similar names yet different gameplay are new. Guild Wars is a recent example. If you want to play Mabi then you can keep on playing Mabinogi.
  
  Financially though it'd seem it isn't in there interests to make a Mabi clone, games like DFO make a huge amount of money for Nexon. Mabinogi, not so much (DFO makes in one year almost as much as Mabi has over its entire lifetime as of Mid-2012)
• Midyin wrote on 2013-01-14 16:26

  Quote from Mystickskye;1013976:

  Copypasta from old thread:These characters in question were premade for the demo . The demo itself is an extremely basic demo of the basic gameplay, it doesn't even showcase the "arena" aspect of the dungeons nor any others which may or may not exist (eg, crafting, an overworld, life skills, etc). Going by information elsewhere you pick one of five weapon classes, one of five fighting styles and one of five body types. Using the above as an example, you might have an Archer with a Trickster fighting style and the Dark Colossus's body type. Or a Warrior Technician Shorty. Assuming any one choice doesn't exclude the others this makes for 125 different combinations. Assuming that for combat gameplay the body type makes little or no difference and it's primarily weapon class and fighting style which determines how your character plays there's still 25 possible combinations.
  
  Lore wise this doesn't take place in the world of Mabinogi that we know, instead in takes place in "Avalon" with little detail as to what exactly entails Avalon (it could be a whole new world/dimension/universe, it could be a yet undiscovered island in Erinn, it could be a special space like soul stream). As such it might as well be that certain "rules" that we know in regards to the races in Mabinogi don't apply in Mabinogi II (eg, giants are from Physis, elves are from Connous). The major lore is that the Gods (so far, Nuadha, Cichol, Morrighan, Macha and Neamhain are all shown in promotional art along with a female garbed in similar fashion to Cichol called Ehune) are waging a proxy war (someone else does the fighting in their place) and the milletians are involved. So it may well be that giants/elves human are merely a cosmetic choice and little else.If they were going to make a better version of Mabinogi, they'd do it with Mabinogi and not make it a separate new game. It's not like families of games with similar names yet different gameplay are new. Guild Wars is a recent example. If you want to play Mabi then you can keep on playing Mabinogi.
  
  Financially though it'd seem it isn't in there interests to make a Mabi clone, games like DFO make a huge amount of money for Nexon. Mabinogi, not so much (DFO makes in one year almost as much as Mabi has over its entire lifetime as of Mid-2012)

  
  
  GuildWars2 and EverQuest2 exist not only because they wanted to make new games within the same world, but mostly because once the game is out you can only upgrade so much before you are working against the laws put in place by the games engine...
  
  I don't know how much you know about game design, but the games engine is what sets everything up. You can't drastically change how the character models look, or how the games combat or physics work without changing the games engine, and you cant swap out the engine in an existing game. you need design the engine, then build everything off it... and that's what they would have to do to give Mabinogi a major overhaul..
• Enoshima Smoothie wrote on 2013-01-14 17:15
  I probably won't play if they don't have more than one race, and the graphics we've seen so far look so generic that I might fall asleep while playing anyway.
• Eliirae wrote on 2013-01-14 20:26
  Elves and giants aren't the only reason I play Mabinogi. So far, Mabi 2 doesn't seem interesting to me at all.
• Mystickskye wrote on 2013-01-15 23:47

  Quote from Midyin;1014078:

  You can't drastically change how the character models look, or how the games combat or physics work without changing the games engine, and you cant swap out the engine in an existing game.

  Tell that to CCP. Not only did they considerably upgrade the graphics engine they had, they then wrote a new one from scratch.
  
  Arenanet have already stated that the primary reason for making a whole new Guild Wars is that the changes they envisioned would change the core gameplay of the original too much. Change as Mabi has it's mostly retained it's core gameplay. This isn't a new idea either and it continues to be put into practice.
• Midyin wrote on 2013-01-16 20:00

  Quote from Mystickskye;1014939:

  Tell that to CCP. Not only did they considerably upgrade the graphics engine they had, they then wrote a new one from scratch.
  

  
  
  You've assisted my argument. Yes you can update an existing Engine, but most of the time it's just cheaper and easier to to create a new game off a new engine rather then try to update an existing engine and try to re-code the game to fit around it..
• Azareel wrote on 2013-01-17 03:24
  Where's the "I probably wouldn't play it anyway" option?
  
  

  Quote from Osayidan;1013606:

  First I'll need to get over my hatred of nexon.
  After that, if the game isn't a vindictus clone (I like the vindictus gameplay for combat but I hate how that's ALL the game is, and how linear it is) I'll give it a shot.
  
  If those 2 factors pass, what races are in the game is irrelevant

  
  
  This. The only actual reason I mained an elf on Mabi is their slight advantage in Magic.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2013-01-17 15:38
  If this game doesn't have giants, I will refuse to touch it.
  
  Giants are the miracles of the universe.
• Mystickskye wrote on 2013-01-18 03:06

  Quote from Midyin;1015322:

  You've assisted my argument. Yes you can update an existing Engine, but most of the time it's just cheaper and easier to to create a new game off a new engine rather then try to update an existing engine and try to re-code the game to fit around it..

  Your argument was that you can't change the engine in an existing game. They did this.
• Kouki wrote on 2013-01-18 04:37
  If it's possible to make guys that aren't ugly or overly manry, then I'll try it.
  That's if Nexon's screwups even hold up long enough to not make me quit.
• Midyin wrote on 2013-01-20 15:19

  Quote from Azareel;1015553:

  Where's the "I probably wouldn't play it anyway" option?

  
  
  Unfortunately, I didn't think to add that option till it was too late because the question isn't will you play Mabi2, but was a more spacific question about weather a person would play it without the option of playing their favorite race...
  
  I would ad that option if i could, but the poll is set in stone now... sorry..
  
  
  

  Quote from Mystickskye;1016335:

  Your argument was that you can't change the engine in an existing game. They did this.

  
  Is that how it's gotta be then?... ok....
  
  "You can't drastically change how the character models look, or how the games combat or physics work without changing the games engine" Mr. Specific...
  
  That's what I actually said, and it is still true. They would have to make modifications to the games engine(AKA changing it) to make their new Dramatic changes to the game work right with out bugs. That's a lot of coding, and bug hunting, and trial and error....
  
  I don't know why CCP decided to do it the hard way, but most companies don't...
  
  
  Now if you're done b**ching at us for having a different opinion than yours It would be nice to get back to the "Actual Topic". If you don't like the topic of this thread please feel free to check out any of the other many threads here on this forum..
• Mystickskye wrote on 2013-01-21 05:08
  You do know you were the one that brought it up right? And I'm well aware of what you said (more than you apparently). You very conveniently left a part out. To quote directly from your original post (again):

  Quote from Midyin;1014078:

  I don't know how much you know about game design, but the games engine is what sets everything up. You can't drastically change how the character models look, or how the games combat or physics work without changing the games engine, and you cant swap out the engine in an existing game.

  Relevant section bolded for emphasis. So yes, your argument basically is that they can't change the engine in an existing game.
• Drizzit wrote on 2013-01-21 19:15
  I main a human in Mabinogi anyway, but after all the time and effort I've put into him, I doubt I'll switch over to mabi2.
• Nanaho wrote on 2013-01-30 04:49
  What are you lot talking about...? MMO's switch engines all the time o_o;...
  
  Any way, I'll give it a shot even without other races. Why? Because when Mabinogi started it only had one town and one race.
  
  As for the people saying "Erm ma gosh it's gunna be Vindicky!", stop it. Just no. From what we've seen Mabi2 is going to focus on dungeons (Like the original Mabinogi did) and arena combat. HMMM! You know what this reminds me of? The two dungeons and the one arena that use to make up the places to engage in combat to level, have fun and test your skills against other players in Mabinogi when it was first released. Also, from what I've been told and have seen, there's going to be a completely different combat system with only few buttons to press. I'm okay with this. One of the games I enjoy the most has very few buttons, and it's mostly reliant on strategy and skill.
  
  Also, you're going to be able to spectate the combat! There's even talk of an eSports kind of deal going on with tournaments and competition. Doesn't that sound like a blast?