Don't You Wish

• Iyasenu wrote on 2013-02-11 17:45
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  Don't you wish that all the patterns/manuals/instructions for making things with tailoring or blacksmithing were like Magic Seal Books?
  
  Just successfully read them and, boom. You've got this item's method of production memorized forever and ever.
  
  
  
  I just keep looking at these skills and as soon as I get past the, "Oh well the materials aren't too bad to get if I spread out getting them myself and buying what I'm too lazy to get" part, I realize that these manuals and patterns are stupidly pricey.
  
  
  I just have this annoyance for having to rebuy a new pattern just because I got 99.9% on the item I was wanting to make on the last use.
  
  It'd be a bit less of a hassle if we could just memorize the patterns and be done with it.
  
  Like make it so that you click on an anvil and it brings up the recipe list, like it does for the Furnace and Weaving Loom/Spinning Wheel.
  
  
  It's just a small thing like that, that'd make me hate the training methods of these skills less.
  
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• Claudia wrote on 2013-02-11 21:11
  I DO.
  
  Then maybe it would be extremely profitable to tailor or blacksmith.
• Dracius wrote on 2013-02-12 02:53
  Nexon's industrial size wallet says no.
• Iyasenu wrote on 2013-02-14 12:52
  Industrial-sized wallet...
  
  
  
  That's another thing.
  
  
  We sure could make use of larger Gold Bags, or something of the sort.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-02-14 13:01

  Quote from Iyasenu;1032627:

  Industrial-sized wallet...
  
  
  
  That's another thing.
  
  
  We sure could make use of larger Gold Bags, or something of the sort.

  
  
  Too much gold :cryno:
  
  But ya, I agree. It would be nice if you could read the manuals and remember them. Is a Millitean's memory so limited that they always need to have a manual blueprint in front of them cause they aren't capable of memorizing it. Also why does a blueprint have limited uses? What the hell are we doing with the blueprints/manuals to make them break after 30 uses?
• Calisto wrote on 2013-02-14 20:06
  At this point, yes, gold should not require bags and should all be digital, and patterns should be learnable. However, in order to supplement the cost/rarity that patterns themselves have (Elsinore patter, for example), an extra material of rarity (possibly dependent on each weapon/item crafted) would most likely be needed. You'd think bag-saving measures like this would have been added by now...
• Iyasenu wrote on 2013-02-14 22:45
  I could see something like Infinite Patterns being put into the game, at least.
  
  Like NPC version will have the standard 30 uses by default.
  
  And then maybe Missions/Dungeons/PTJs could drop/give out permanent or otherwise high durability patterns/manuals.
  
  Making them "learnable" would probably require some base changes to the interface/workings of skills like Tailoring/Blacksmithing, so just having patterns with lots/infinite uses would be a pretty simple workaround.
• Retard wrote on 2013-02-18 22:45

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1032634:

  Too much gold :cryno:
  
  But ya, I agree. It would be nice if you could read the manuals and remember them. Is a Millitean's memory so limited that they always need to have a manual blueprint in front of them cause they aren't capable of memorizing it. Also why does a blueprint have limited uses? What the hell are we doing with the blueprints/manuals to make them break after 30 uses?

  
  
  Millitiens are those types that eat pasta while making things 8D
• Zeo wrote on 2013-02-18 22:50

  Quote from Iyasenu;1032914:

  I could see something like Infinite Patterns being put into the game, at least.
  
  Like NPC version will have the standard 30 uses by default.
  
  And then maybe Missions/Dungeons/PTJs could drop/give out permanent or otherwise high durability patterns/manuals.
  
  Making them "learnable" would probably require some base changes to the interface/workings of skills like Tailoring/Blacksmithing, so just having patterns with lots/infinite uses would be a pretty simple workaround.

  
  
  I'm all up for this idea too. There's some patterns I would pretty much want to have unlimited use onto my character.
• Cho wrote on 2013-02-18 23:50

  I just have this annoyance for having to rebuy a new pattern just because I got 99.9% on the item I was wanting to make on the last use.

  
  
  So close, but so far away...
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-02-19 07:34

  Quote from Iyasenu;1032914:

  I could see something like Infinite Patterns being put into the game, at least.
  
  Like NPC version will have the standard 30 uses by default.
  
  And then maybe Missions/Dungeons/PTJs could drop/give out permanent or otherwise high durability patterns/manuals.
  
  Making them "learnable" would probably require some base changes to the interface/workings of skills like Tailoring/Blacksmithing, so just having patterns with lots/infinite uses would be a pretty simple workaround.

  
  
  Great plan...Until they throw them in a gacha that's also full of pots/outfits cus NA NX is NA NX and make the only in game ones you can get rewards for Iria bosses that rarely spawn, Peaca Int boss drop at 5%, Fortanbras HM drop, or the NPC tourny. Not to mention, with how much they love to make the STUPIDEST of things not tradeable, they would all most likely be not tradeable. @,@
• DarkPhantomAngel wrote on 2013-02-19 08:48

  Quote from Iyasenu;1032914:

  I could see something like Infinite Patterns being put into the game, at least.
  
  Like NPC version will have the standard 30 uses by default.
  
  And then maybe Missions/Dungeons/PTJs could drop/give out permanent or otherwise high durability patterns/manuals.
  
  Making them "learnable" would probably require some base changes to the interface/workings of skills like Tailoring/Blacksmithing, so just having patterns with lots/infinite uses would be a pretty simple workaround.

  
  
  Or, instead of higher dura manuals as a drop, they could just release a pattern repair item. That way, the lifespan of any pattern could be lengthened, instead of only certain patterns having a higher usage count. If higher dura patterns came from the places you said, there probably wouldn't be much variety in the patterns you could get, unless all patterns are in there with slim chances to get the one you want. Something like this:
  
  Sewing Pattern/Blacksmith Manual Restoration
  • Uncommon drop from HM dungeons and Adv+ SMs/TMs
  • Various grades of restoration: Item restores up to 10 usages to 30 usages, increasing in increments of 10 (Average: 10 counts, Fine: 20 counts, Finest: 30 counts).
  • The restoration will repair 1-10 counts for average repairs, 11-20 for fine repairs, 21-30 for finest repairs. The amount restored depends on the rank of the pattern/manual. The higher the manual rank, the lower the chances of your restoration doing the full repair. Maximum usages per pattern/manual capped at 50. (So I guess sorta like a spirit repair potion, but for patterns/manuals.)
  • Harder missions/dungeons have higher chances of dropping a better restoration, but all HM dungeons / Adv+ TMs/SMs have a chance of obtaining the highest grade, it'd just be harder to get.
  
  Not sure if that sounds reasonable or not, but at least with an item like that then used up patterns could be recycled and you wouldn't be trying to spam one certain something for a long time just to get the pattern for one single item? I would try to think of drop rates but I have no clue what might or might not be fair.
• Iyasenu wrote on 2013-02-19 19:34

  Quote from DarkPhantomAngel;1035317:

  Or, instead of higher dura manuals as a drop, they could just release a pattern repair item. That way, the lifespan of any pattern could be lengthened, instead of only certain patterns having a higher usage count. If higher dura patterns came from the places you said, there probably wouldn't be much variety in the patterns you could get, unless all patterns are in there with slim chances to get the one you want. Something like this:
  
  Sewing Pattern/Blacksmith Manual Restoration
  • Uncommon drop from HM dungeons and Adv+ SMs/TMs
  • Various grades of restoration: Item restores up to 10 usages to 30 usages, increasing in increments of 10 (Average: 10 counts, Fine: 20 counts, Finest: 30 counts).
  • The restoration will repair 1-10 counts for average repairs, 11-20 for fine repairs, 21-30 for finest repairs. The amount restored depends on the rank of the pattern/manual. The higher the manual rank, the lower the chances of your restoration doing the full repair. Maximum usages per pattern/manual capped at 50. (So I guess sorta like a spirit repair potion, but for patterns/manuals.)
  • Harder missions/dungeons have higher chances of dropping a better restoration, but all HM dungeons / Adv+ TMs/SMs have a chance of obtaining the highest grade, it'd just be harder to get.
  
  Not sure if that sounds reasonable or not, but at least with an item like that then used up patterns could be recycled and you wouldn't be trying to spam one certain something for a long time just to get the pattern for one single item? I would try to think of drop rates but I have no clue what might or might not be fair.

  
  
  That's a neat idea.
  
  
  A restoration/repair item for patterns/manuals would be more flexible than just certain patterns being permanent/extended.
  
  Though a dungeon/ptj/gacha(i guess) that hands out permanent patterns might be popular if the pattern itself was for a highly sought after item.
• Kouki wrote on 2013-04-02 15:52
  I would love unlimited use/permanent learn-able patterns.
  The main reason I don't tailor/blacksmith is because of this. All of the good clothes are rare/expensive, and requires you to be able to do all kinds of dungeons and stuff, be rich, or gacha.
  
  So much for "You can life skill without fighting".
• Hatsunechan wrote on 2013-04-02 16:20
  Isnt this a big part of why mabi is unique from other MMO's? If devcat did do this there would be other problems that come up like:
  
  -Compensate infinite use patterns by making the patterns harder to obtain via gacha/dungeons etc
  -If they dont do this then there would be the problem that we see nearly every other gacha. The market gets flooded with these common items because everyone would have access to it and they get infinite uses. If the pattern is rare then the average player wont get it anyways while the rich players just benefit way more from being able to make infinite of x rare item.
  
  I think the way it is now is fine, it keeps a massive flood of useless items from going into the economy and keeps certain rare patterns/items rare. This sucks for buyers but you have to consider the players who sell these items too, they dont benefit much from everyone getting infinite uses of a rare item (I doubt any pattern item would be rare if there were infinite uses)