What is the best title for fighters? If you think chain/shock master, you're wrong

• Yakumo Yukari wrote on 2013-04-24 12:48

  Quote from Aubog007;1074445:

  Fighter is a horrible primary due to lack of mob control. Go commercing with it. I want to watch how you deal with the double aggro with fighter.

  
  
  I could do it with my super overpowered elemental/final hit max reforged knuckles. Everything would just die.
  
  But that's a waste of dura.
• SKochiya wrote on 2013-04-24 12:52

  Quote from Yakumo Yukari;1074552:

  I could do it with my super overpowered elemental/final hit max reforged knuckles. Everything would just die.
  
  But that's a waste of dura.

  
  
  Says the one who claims to be weak.
  
  :!!:
• Yakumo Yukari wrote on 2013-04-24 13:20

  Quote from SKochiya;1074556:

  Says the one who claims to be weak.
  
  :!!:

  
  
  Bandits are easy.
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-04-24 15:04

  Quote from Kyubey;1074277:

  This is exactly the primary reason why all % master titles for a skillset that forces a player to use a chain are useless except for that specific skill damage testing. Sure i can be doing +10% dmg with dropkick or +30% dmg with charging strike, but all my other skills on the chain will be unaffected.
  Not to mention, MORE max attack you have, MORE you'll gain if someone plays overture on party
  
  Dropkick master (15 str, will + 10% dropkick dmg)
  >~4 max
  >+inspiring r1 overture : ~34%
  >~6 max
  >+2 max
  
  Shock master (15 max)
  >15 max
  >+inspiring r1 overture : ~34%
  >~20.1 max
  >+5 max
  
  Yea it is true as well that there will be a breakpoint where +10% dropkick dmg will break 14 max difference for the full chain, however with that +14 max you might not even get to the dropkick

  
  The titles all stack with base damage though, so battlefield overture has no real net change except furthering it's already present differences. I.E. 15 max becomes around 19 max and titles becomes 1.1~1.3x of battlefield overture max. It increases the effect of both titles fairly equally.
  
  To be perfectly clear, it helps to assess the % increase. If you have 100 max, with shock you get 15% increase to 115 damage. Using battlefield overture using 20% increase, we really change from 120 max to 138 max which is still a 15% increase. Likewise, the title still provides a 10~30% increase to the skill's base damage.
• Tropa wrote on 2013-04-24 17:54

  Quote from Aubog007;1074445:

  Fighter is a horrible primary due to lack of mob control. Go commercing with it. I want to watch how you deal with the double aggro with fighter.

  
  
  Defense, Counter and Charge.
• Syr wrote on 2013-04-24 18:17

  Quote from Tropa;1074840:

  Defense, Counter and Charge.

  
  
  ...It's rather hilarious how I keep forgetting those skills exist while I'm using fighter z.z;
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-04-25 06:49

  Quote from Tropa;1074840:

  Defense, Counter and Charge.

  
  
  Already took in account for those skills.
  
  2 archers aiming at you with magnum shot.
  Go.
  
  You have some situations that fighter can do fine, but some others where it will not.
  
  Especially master bandits, especially if a boss aggroes you off the bat.
  
  The reason fighter skills are lackluster here... Because their animation length is too long.
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-04-25 06:54

  Quote from Aubog007;1075448:

  Already took in account for those skills.
  
  2 archers aiming at you with magnum shot.
  Go.
  
  You have some situations that fighter can do fine, but some others where it will not.
  
  Especially master bandits, especially if a boss aggroes you off the bat.
  
  The reason fighter skills are lackluster here... Because their animation length is too long.

  
  
  Use charging strike on one, this provides invincibility while charging so you can hit and likely kill one of the archers. From here you'd probably use defense simply tank the other archers hits until you reach it.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-04-25 06:57

  Quote from Zekkii;1075457:

  Use charging strike on one, this provides invincibility while charging so you can hit and likely kill one of the archers. From here you'd probably use defense simply tank the other archers hits until you reach it.

  
  
  How2defend with knuckles against magnum shot.
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-04-25 07:10

  Quote from Aubog007;1075461:

  How2defend with knuckles against magnum shot.

  
  
  You can use bunshin now if you want.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-04-25 07:42

  Quote from Zekkii;1075466:

  You can use bunshin now if you want.

  
  
  I suppose so since it has some range.
  
  Was trying to figure out ideal situations for fighter to do well with commerce, WM helps if you time it right.
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-04-25 08:34

  Quote from Aubog007;1075480:

  I suppose so since it has some range.
  
  Was trying to figure out ideal situations for fighter to do well with commerce, WM helps if you time it right.

  
  
  I think fighter works better as a side class, or perhaps a party class, and it only really needs to take 3 hotkeys. With the addition of Counter Punch and Shadow Bunshin it seems a lot more well rounded in terms of aggro control, but still lacks AoE. We have two slots for a reason though.
• Syrion wrote on 2013-05-02 10:59
  i totally agree with you and all,
  
  but you probably could have written the whole guide in 4 or 5 sentences
  
  im glad you prompted discussion tho