Should I bother playing?

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Yanm wrote on 2013-05-12 04:44

Quote from Scable;1086788:
Right now your Infering that they have to be Skilled in the First Place.
No they do not. They can either go Classic Hack n Slash. Or Tap and Fire.
And Theirs also a Tutorial. They would also go along the Main Story line until
they find the Strange Traveler in the Inn. Therefore they would also learn along the way.
And who also said anything about Being in High Level Raids right when you begin?

Yeah, after one level up, they're able to do Irukul. By skilled, he means basically knowing their class and how to play. Half of the newbies that haven't played that made a jump character I bet would die to the Gnoll Chieftain if it wasn't for their level. They aren't really going to learn much along the way. The tutorial? They can skip episodes 1-3, thereby negating the tutorial. You aren't seeing what we're talking about are you?
MareneCorp wrote on 2013-05-12 04:54

It's a lot more than just tapping a button...
Scable wrote on 2013-05-12 05:35

Quote from Yanm;1086806:
Yeah, after one level up, they're able to do Irukul. By skilled, he means basically knowing their class and how to play. Half of the newbies that haven't played that made a jump character I bet would die to the Gnoll Chieftain if it wasn't for their level. They aren't really going to learn much along the way. The tutorial? They can skip episodes 1-3, thereby negating the tutorial. You aren't seeing what we're talking about are you?

I'm almost Definite. That Players know what a Hack And Slasher is.
And if your Referring to the Difficulty? And did you read what i just wrote? Half of them don't even skip episodes 1-3. Because most of them Don't Know How to. And after 1 Level Up Their supposed to do High Level Raid's? No. So Youv'e seen Over 10 People in Irukul who are level 51. Am i correct?

Back on subject. Knowing this from experience from myself and other players. Many grasp the Basic concept of Hack n Slashers. They get the Hang of it from level 1-10. They Even have "Partys" to make it easier. This isn't MH Where they kick Lann's and Other useless people.
Yanm wrote on 2013-05-12 06:06

Quote from Scable;1086827:
I'm almost Definite. That Players know what a Hack And Slasher is.
And if your Referring to the Difficulty? And did you read what i just wrote? Half of them don't even skip episodes 1-3. Because most of them Don't Know How to. And after 1 Level Up Their supposed to do High Level Raid's? No. So Youv'e seen Over 10 People in Irukul who are level 51. Am i correct?

Back on subject. Knowing this from experience from myself and other players. Many grasp the Basic concept of Hack n Slashers. They get the Hang of it from level 1-10. They Even have "Partys" to make it easier. This isn't MH Where they kick Lann's and Other useless people.

@Bolded. Tell me, is your 51 Lann really the highest character you have? Because if so, you really don't know where Marene and I are coming from.

Yes, I have seen tons of people at level 51 in Irukul. Half don't skip it? You look up the game on the website, there's an event that talks about how to make a level 50, even in the game, the quest leads you to the cat and he explains how to do it. And so, we have level 50's doing episodes 1-5. They're going to steamroll that content and not have a single risk of dying, until possibly Hidden. You haven't done the stuff that we'd consider challenging. A long time ago, they nerfed level 1-59 content, making it all easier. Most irukul parties these days FAIL, because people don't know what the hell to do. They don't know what a break off is, how to get it, etc. My point against your, "They can play through the game because they don't know how to skip it." Sure, they play through the beginner episodes and what not, but where's the risk? Where's the, "Crap, I might need to change my playstyle because this boss is kicking my ass." There's no real adjustments, people learn the game differently. There's no learning experience, or growing. They can half-ass most of the stuff and not learn from how the boss is.

Second point is the 60+ stuff, what we'd consider end-game. Yes at one point, we were all not used to bosses and our parties wiped. However, we adjusted and learned, and during said battle, we used previous experiences from other bosses to our advantage. What experience will they have? One of the first challenges they'll have is probably Hidden, and that's not much of a challenge. It's just a big difficulty jump, from where there would be a constant increase if you can even call it that now. The 60+ raids introduce knew stuff they never experienced, and without a better knowledge of their class, they're just going to be on the floor, with Help! above their head each time. Though gear can carry a player, unless the newbie is a spender on nx, they won't be able to get the stuff to carry them, thus having to rely on their skill and due to their lack of experience, they'll generally just not do that good.

I'm not saying every single player is like this, but a good portion most likely will become as I've stated. Would you really want a player that hasn't played Vindi at all to be thrown straight into stuff you do now, the stuff that you may have deemed tough in the past and murdered you?
Chiyuri wrote on 2013-05-12 11:15

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Not that it concerns anyone.
Level Rush Event is going. Therefore new players should have no Excuses of making it into Higher Levels ^^

What's so fun about starting a game half way into it? I prefer playing a game from the begining..
Scable wrote on 2013-05-12 15:13

Quote from Chiyuri;1086954:
What's so fun about starting a game half way into it? I prefer playing a game from the begining..

Quote from Scable;1086770:
Not that it concerns anyone.
Level Rush Event is going. Therefore new players should have no Excuses of making it into Higher Levels ^^
But this event is optional also as i like too start from level 1 and work my way up. ^^

This. and this was also to Contradict your statement saying if Vindictus still had enough Activity.
But Yes Vindictus still has enough Activity both in High Level and Low Level dungeons.

Quote from Yanm;1086838:
@Bolded. Tell me, is your 51 Lann really the highest character you have? Because if so, you really don't know where Marene and I are coming from.

Yes, I have seen tons of people at level 51 in Irukul. Half don't skip it? You look up the game on the website, there's an event that talks about how to make a level 50, even in the game, the quest leads you to the cat and he explains how to do it. And so, we have level 50's doing episodes 1-5. They're going to steamroll that content and not have a single risk of dying, until possibly Hidden. You haven't done the stuff that we'd consider challenging. A long time ago, they nerfed level 1-59 content, making it all easier. Most irukul parties these days FAIL, because people don't know what the hell to do. They don't know what a break off is, how to get it, etc. My point against your, "They can play through the game because they don't know how to skip it." Sure, they play through the beginner episodes and what not, but where's the risk? Where's the, "Crap, I might need to change my playstyle because this boss is kicking my ass." There's no real adjustments, people learn the game differently. There's no learning experience, or growing. They can half-ass most of the stuff and not learn from how the boss is.

Second point is the 60+ stuff, what we'd consider end-game. Yes at one point, we were all not used to bosses and our parties wiped. However, we adjusted and learned, and during said battle, we used previous experiences from other bosses to our advantage. What experience will they have? One of the first challenges they'll have is probably Hidden, and that's not much of a challenge. It's just a big difficulty jump, from where there would be a constant increase if you can even call it that now. The 60+ raids introduce knew stuff they never experienced, and without a better knowledge of their class, they're just going to be on the floor, with Help! above their head each time. Though gear can carry a player, unless the newbie is a spender on nx, they won't be able to get the stuff to carry them, thus having to rely on their skill and due to their lack of experience, they'll generally just not do that good.

I'm not saying every single player is like this, but a good portion most likely will become as I've stated. Would you really want a player that hasn't played Vindi at all to be thrown straight into stuff you do now, the stuff that you may have deemed tough in the past and murdered you?

I Agree with nearly all of this to a Extent.
But yes i wouldn't wan't a Newly Introduced Vindictus Player to be thrown straight into Higher Level Raids/Dungeons. Where they would have a little to none
Experience dealing with Bosses Higher then the Gnoll Chieftain or even under it. As Most new Players see the Rush Event as a Oppurtunity for them to have a "High" Level Character. Where they may have the Character but not the Experience.
But as said The Rush Character is Optional.
So now shall we Move back onto the Main topic that we were talking about at first?

I Would also like to apologize for my Replys and so forth.
They seem to come from a Diffrent approach from where Yours are coming from.
Scable wrote on 2013-05-12 15:13

-Snip-
I Would like to apologize for the Double Post.
MareneCorp wrote on 2013-05-12 17:50

Most new players wouldn't want to be stuck playing through the "boring" lower level dungeons, if you were a starting character in any normal game with an option to fight a small, easy boss or a shiny awesome boss, most would choose the latter. Not to say there's nothing wrong with that, but even if players chose the former, they will have missed out on a lot of experience from playing the game starting at level 1 and learning by themselves all throughout the game.
This is a little bit where the activity part plays into hand, as most players just starting out have little to no assistance from those with more experience and so end up soloing everything until the higher level raids. Once they hit around the 60's and start a new character, they will most likely solo the beginner dungeons again as they feel more comfortable with them, and the cycle continues.
Jakeysaurus wrote on 2013-05-15 00:21

First of all, the "low activity" is probably due to your client being set to only show a certain amount of people.........

Second of all, I feel like some people, including myself, who made jump chars might get discriminated against, jut because we started that way. Although, I made a staff Evie when I already had one about level 30. I feel comfortable enough in it to solo my own battles and even join the end-game content soon. Not all of the jump chars are from bad people. :)
JinNJuice wrote on 2013-05-15 02:24

I'd agree that starting from level 1 and working up levels would be a good way to study and experiment with the skills you develop, if learning and countering higher level bosses weren't more important. Besides, who says you can't practice with your skills at level 50 to begin with? Still got until level 60 to learn before "endgame" content.
Mentosftw wrote on 2013-05-15 04:06

Seriously, lv50 optional? Give me a break. In most if not all situations, if two options are both given at the same time (lv1 and lv50 in this case) and both are without or with the same cost, the better choice will be taken. The only time a lv 1 character may be preferred would actually be for veteran players who are already comfortable with both the game and their high level character and know about the game's learning curve.

Sure it's optional but what gets chosen is an entirely different matter.
Elleanior wrote on 2013-05-15 15:40

I've seen very little activity on low-leveled dungeons, but perhaps I haven't been looking hard enough. If a person knows what they're doing (and how many newbies take the time to learn to play their class before playing in a group...?) then they can solo most (if not everything) until level 50 or so.

Scable, don't assume that every newbie to the game is familiar with the genre and the game. A person can easily come into the game not knowing what to do, and starting them off at level 50 will just become confusing to them if they're not already familiar with the game.

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