[KR Main] Mabinogi Zero Update

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Zekkii wrote on 2013-04-19 05:32

Wait... nevermind for now. What exactly is a protection constant?
ironwoman wrote on 2013-04-19 05:39

Quote from radionoise;1071016:
So, in other words mobs actually have less protection now even though the damage reduction is the same as before?

If so, that would make high critical less important as opposed to how we thought that we'd end up needing higher critical after the patch.

They might have less prot value as a number, but all the other things are raised. You can tell defense is raised significantly, thanks to 220 strength.
But yeah, assuming we're not using a lance, suppose we're smacking that gold bone fighter, we'll do 71% of what we would do on a fox, before & after the update. Shortly put, other things have been balanced mobs didn't become OP or nerfed. SMs are favoring lancers even more after the update, though. So keep your lances!

And yes, having crazy critical is unnecessary, because it seems like we can still crit on them (assuming crit formula hasn't changed) since their protection didn't go skyrocketing.

In a sense, the mobs actually got buffed. They still keep same damage reduction, but do more damge thanks to actual stats and defense penetration. This update will make users focus more on def/prot stats, which is reasonable, considering that many people are utilizing mana shield. Mana shield will be just as important after the update though, since monsters hit harder.
ironwoman wrote on 2013-04-19 05:41

Quote from Zekkii;1071024:
Wait... nevermind for now. What exactly is a protection constant?

It's a constant they got from data. Data mining, or testing, I'm not sure, but they somehow got it.
Zekkii wrote on 2013-04-19 05:45

Quote from ironwoman;1071028:
It's a constant they got from data. Data mining, or testing, I'm not sure, but they somehow got it.

Well what is it? Least I heard it was 50, or 0.5 in your formula.
ironwoman wrote on 2013-04-19 05:52

Quote from Zekkii;1071030:
Well what is it? Least I heard it was 50, or 0.5 in your formula.

Oh, right. Forgot to mention that. Derp.

The original Korean tester said it was around 50~55.55, or more like .5~.5555
This is only the value for the possessed gold bone fighter adv. And this was a gathered data.
Zekkii wrote on 2013-04-19 06:01

Quote from ironwoman;1071037:
Oh, right. Forgot to mention that. Derp.

The original Korean tester said it was around 50~55.55, or more like .5~.5555
This is only the value for the possessed gold bone fighter adv. And this was a gathered data.

If the 'constant' changes from monster to monster it makes calculating damage a total nightmare, otherwise it should be fairly easy.

[Spoiler]Current:
10 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 11.1% damage increase
20 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 20% damage increase
30 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 22.9% damage increase
40 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 26.7% damage increase
50 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 32% damage increase
60 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 40% damage increase
70 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 53.33% damage increase
80 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 80% damage increase
90 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 160% damage increase

Future: (Given 0.50 constant)
10 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 20% damage increase
20 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 40% damage increase
30 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 60% damage increase
40 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 80% damage increase
50 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 66.6% damage increase
60 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 57.14% damage increase
70 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 50% damage increase
80 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 44.4% damage increase
90 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 40% damage increase

The break even point is around 65~68 protection.[/Spoiler]
Milk wrote on 2013-04-19 06:11

Whatever happened to balance btw?
Xemnas wrote on 2013-04-19 06:17

Quote from Milk;1071053:
Whatever happened to balance btw?

Probably too horrible to discuss again.
Kitkat wrote on 2013-04-19 06:35

Quote from Xemnas;1070841:
It could've been, you never know. Thousands of soldiers/random people have died.

Nao's been secretly teaching us to recycle! :!!:
FallenDanny wrote on 2013-04-19 06:37

Quote from Kitkat;1071088:
Nao's been secretly teaching us to recycle! :!!:

and the conspiracy unfolds. :spit:
ironwoman wrote on 2013-04-19 13:11

Quote from Zekkii;1071045:
If the 'constant' changes from monster to monster it makes calculating damage a total nightmare, otherwise it should be fairly easy.

[Spoiler]Current:
10 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 11.1% damage increase
20 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 20% damage increase
30 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 22.9% damage increase
40 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 26.7% damage increase
50 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 32% damage increase
60 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 40% damage increase
70 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 53.33% damage increase
80 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 80% damage increase
90 protection mobs with 16 piercing = 160% damage increase

Future: (Given 0.50 constant)
10 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 20% damage increase
20 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 40% damage increase
30 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 60% damage increase
40 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 80% damage increase
50 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 66.6% damage increase
60 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 57.14% damage increase
70 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 50% damage increase
80 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 44.4% damage increase
90 protection mobs with 40 piercing = 40% damage increase

The break even point is around 65~68 protection.[/Spoiler]

That sounds about right, given that the person notes lancers start to do less damage than we do now from around 70 prot.
ironwoman wrote on 2013-04-19 13:14

Quote from Milk;1071053:
Whatever happened to balance btw?

http://www.mabinogi.pe.kr/bbs/zboard.php?id=report&page=1&sn1=&divpage=3&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=25266

Notice that the bone fighter's dex is 220 and balance is 76%. If the same ratio applies to players, I don't think we'll have a problem for most players.
Xemnas wrote on 2013-04-19 13:26

Quote from ironwoman;1071363:
Notice that the bone fighter's dex is 220 and balance is 76%. If the same ratio applies to players, I don't think we'll have a problem for most players.

What's the stats on their equipment though?
ironwoman wrote on 2013-04-19 13:30

Quote from Xemnas;1071368:
What's the stats on their equipment though?

Doesn't say, but I'd assume it's 0%. Monster equips tend to be that way.

If an enemy can reach 76% balance with that low of a dex, players can reach 0% easier.
Milk wrote on 2013-04-19 13:35

Ill just wait till a a player from kr logs on and checks his bare handed dex for us. They said that the base dex people could reach is capped at 50 without the help of weapons so that monster really isnt telling us much.

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