So, uh...

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ironwoman wrote on 2013-04-19 19:59

Quote from Zeo;1071602:
Oh I missed that. So we do more damage now due to how Defense Pierce work now, is what I'm getting... right?

And does Defense Pierce work for the magic and alchemy as well?

Yes, we'd do more damage (at least on 0 prot mobs), but remember that it's pretty much negligible when you're using skills like smash, fighter skills, etc... it's only good for normal hits. Just consider the effect like Tethra, where you wouldn't see too significant of a damage change when you're using smash (because who care about 30 more damage in smash lulz).

Plus, since the enemies actually have stats now, they get bonus defense and such. Devcat renewed the system so that we would still hit as hard as we used to (see more in the post).

And no, defense piercing doesn't work for magic. Monsters have their own magic def/prot now. And when mobs use magic, their "defense piercing" wouldn't work on us either. I'm not sure about alchemy, but I don't think defense piercing would apply to alchemy. Remember though, they get bonus from stats now, if you consider that as an alternative to defense piercing.
Yakumo Yukari wrote on 2013-04-20 00:15

So, uh, I thank you guys for summing up the zero update, but that's not I was referring to at all, actually.

I'm talking about the stats overhaul. New effects of int, will, dex, str, etc. The new combat mechanics. New protection and piercing and magic protection and stuff. The older stuff. I didn't really understand it the first time around.

I've got the idea of the zero update. New op talent that lets you shoot meteors.
Slayerj wrote on 2013-04-20 02:19

Quote from Yakumo Yukari;1071747:
So, uh, I thank you guys for summing up the zero update, but that's not I was referring to at all, actually.

I'm talking about the stats overhaul. New effects of int, will, dex, str, etc. The new combat mechanics. New protection and piercing and magic protection and stuff. The older stuff. I didn't really understand it the first time around.

I've got the idea of the zero update. New op talent that lets you shoot meteors.

Okay, I'm not 100% sure if it's all the same in the final update but...

You need more dex to get balance which is capped at 50%

The more will you have the more magic protection you have and now it takes more will to get less deadly chance than before with the deadly to will curve being similar to dex, more at the start, less near the end.

10str = 1 def

More dex = def piercing and you can pierce past 0 def. This means that with more dex you get a bit extra damage on mobs that would normally reduce more damage due to high def/prot.

At the start of the game for beginners it's now more of a challenge while still being a tad bit easier? Once you hybrid into range from anything else or just do some life skills your balance will go up and so will your damage. Meaning that life skills still benefit range the most, while still helping out melee some.

Magic and Alch do not get def piercing, this I am almost 100% certain of because that just doesn't make any since.

That's the most that I know/think I know from the info we had so far, though I know little about the final version other than the fact that magic got the right buff (and blaze needs a small nerf now..XD)

As for the Druid, it's not really OP per say. I hear the knuckle is kinda crap with only 1 upgrade. It's just the first real 'hybrid' weapon. Also you don't NEED the druid to get the 3 new mage skills, it just gets 2x training an skips any quests. (So fucking buying that no mater how long it takes for me to get the cash, fuck doing that kill 100 of x mob shit @,@)
Anitun wrote on 2013-04-20 02:28

Quote from Slayerj;1071861:
Okay, I'm not 100% sure if it's all the same in the final update but...

You need more dex to get balance which is capped at 50%

The more will you have the more magic protection you have and now it takes more will to get less deadly chance than before with the deadly to will curve being similar to dex, more at the start, less near the end.

10str = 1 def

More dex = def piercing and you can pierce past 0 def. This means that with more dex you get a bit extra damage on mobs that would normally reduce more damage due to high def/prot.

At the start of the game for beginners it's now more of a challenge while still being a tad bit easier? Once you hybrid into range from anything else or just do some life skills your balance will go up and so will your damage. Meaning that life skills still benefit range the most, while still helping out melee some.

Magic and Alch do not get def piercing, this I am almost 100% certain of because that just doesn't make any since.

That's the most that I know/think I know from the info we had so far, though I know little about the final version other than the fact that magic got the right buff (and blaze needs a small nerf now..XD)

As for the Druid, it's not really OP per say. I hear the knuckle is kinda crap with only 1 upgrade. It's just the first real 'hybrid' weapon. Also you don't NEED the druid to get the 3 new mage skills, it just gets 2x training an skips any quests. (So fucking buying that no mater how long it takes for me to get the cash, fuck doing that kill 100 of x mob shit @,@)

To be fair, the weapon itself already has high base stats. As strong or stronger than X-Grade 5/5 Champs. Excluding Artisan Will of course.
Yakumo Yukari wrote on 2013-04-20 04:17

What knuckle is this?
Kaeporo wrote on 2013-04-20 04:20

Quote from Yakumo Yukari;1071924:
What knuckle is this?

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ironwoman wrote on 2013-04-20 07:19

Quote from Slayerj;1071861:
Okay, I'm not 100% sure if it's all the same in the final update but...

You need more dex to get balance which is capped at 50%

The more will you have the more magic protection you have and now it takes more will to get less deadly chance than before with the deadly to will curve being similar to dex, more at the start, less near the end.

10str = 1 def

More dex = def piercing and you can pierce past 0 def. This means that with more dex you get a bit extra damage on mobs that would normally reduce more damage due to high def/prot.

At the start of the game for beginners it's now more of a challenge while still being a tad bit easier? Once you hybrid into range from anything else or just do some life skills your balance will go up and so will your damage. Meaning that life skills still benefit range the most, while still helping out melee some.

Magic and Alch do not get def piercing, this I am almost 100% certain of because that just doesn't make any since.

That's the most that I know/think I know from the info we had so far, though I know little about the final version other than the fact that magic got the right buff (and blaze needs a small nerf now..XD)

As for the Druid, it's not really OP per say. I hear the knuckle is kinda crap with only 1 upgrade. It's just the first real 'hybrid' weapon. Also you don't NEED the druid to get the 3 new mage skills, it just gets 2x training an skips any quests. (So fucking buying that no mater how long it takes for me to get the cash, fuck doing that kill 100 of x mob shit @,@)

About balance, refer to the giant's screenshot on my post in the 3rd page of this thread. He has 79% balance (barehand) with <300 dex, 78% with alteration shield on (-10 dex). So we can almost say that 50% cap doesn't seem right. Also, the giant's naked, meaning no +balance enchants like sight, strider, etc.
Slayerj wrote on 2013-04-20 07:29

Quote from ironwoman;1072002:
About balance, refer to the giant's screenshot on my post in the 3rd page of this thread. He has 79% balance (barehand) with <300 dex, 78% with alteration shield on (-10 dex). So we can almost say that 50% cap doesn't seem right. Also, the giant's naked, meaning no +balance enchants like sight, strider, etc.

maybe, to help make up for how little dex giants can get without working really hard, and with being the strong melee race, they changed the formula for them..?
Yakumo Yukari wrote on 2013-04-20 12:26

Quote from Slayerj;1072005:
maybe, to help make up for how little dex giants can get without working really hard, and with being the strong melee race, they changed the formula for them..?

Not sure if serious
ironwoman wrote on 2013-04-20 15:45

Quote from Slayerj;1072005:
maybe, to help make up for how little dex giants can get without working really hard, and with being the strong melee race, they changed the formula for them..?

No, dex formula is same for any race. It doesn't matter who you are, your balance gain is same from dex even if you're a fomor commander.
If truly, 50% is the cap, then the best barehand can have is 65% balance, 15 purely from combat mastery, without any enchant. The giant shown in the screenshot is nowhere close to capped dex for giants, but still manages to pull off 79% barehanded. Formula definitely changed, but it is pretty apparent that cap is not 50%. With that balance, the giant could still hold a sword for 80% balance, and I'm guessing lance as well.

Quote from Yakumo Yukari;1072079:
Not sure if serious

Lolz
Yakumo Yukari wrote on 2013-04-22 07:06

On a random note, how long until the gunner update?

(And by that, I mean which season is the gunner update in and when do you think that'l come over here)
Kitkat wrote on 2013-04-22 07:48

Quote from Milk;1071397:

Alchemy was also changed in some way but everyone is focusing on Magic atm so there inst much info on how it is on the live server.
Icons new icons got released that signify a few new bard skills and what is most likely a new archery skill going to be released soon.

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SINGING?!
SONG MAGIC?!

Oh, God. Yes. All of my YES!!

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Slayerj wrote on 2013-04-22 08:14

Maybe...You add your voice to the bard song to boost it's effects? With the one with more than one person singing, maybe everyone sings along with you? Or..something? XD;
[SPOILER="Spoiler"][S]I see a microphone in that skill bubble, better not let the people from the new pet thread see this or they'll shit themselves with range~[/S][/SPOILER]

Yakumo, the gunner update is sometime in g18. It technically came out near the middle of the G18 storyline. Seeing that Hybrid skills came out a little bit before g18 and we still don't even have g17s4 (hybrid skills either did come out with this, or a week or 2 after), I'd say it's going to be a while unless they wrap the updates up into one giant package in which I pray isn't too buggy. >.>;
Kitkat wrote on 2013-04-22 08:29

Quote from Slayerj;1073041:
Maybe...You add your voice to the bard song to boost it's effects? With the one with more than one person singing, maybe everyone sings along with you? Or..something? XD;

Ar Tonelico in my Mabinogi? Yes please!

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Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-04-22 18:10

Quote from Slayerj;1073041:
Maybe...You add your voice to the bard song to boost it's effects? With the one with more than one person singing, maybe everyone sings along with you? Or..something? XD;
[SPOILER="Spoiler"][S]I see a microphone in that skill bubble, better not let the people from the new pet thread see this or they'll shit themselves with range~[/S][/SPOILER]

Yakumo, the gunner update is sometime in g18. It technically came out near the middle of the G18 storyline. Seeing that Hybrid skills came out a little bit before g18 and we still don't even have g17s4 (hybrid skills either did come out with this, or a week or 2 after), I'd say it's going to be a while unless they wrap the updates up into one giant package in which I pray isn't too buggy. >.>;

Hybrid skills are actually part of G17s4. Which I might add have been fully translated in our patch files for the last patch or so ;)

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