An Afterthought On Ego Bows

• Batt wrote on 2010-08-11 19:55

  Quote from Vanof;121681:

  You're probably disregarding it's fast attack rating. You're an elf, so it makes little difference to you. But, if you're a human the speed at which you can fire successive AR shots is dependent on your weapon's attack rating. A bow that you can aim and shoot fast with is invaluable in a way I cannot express. It's the reason people don't like llb egos as humans, because they're so slow.

  
  
  Elves actually aim slower than humans :/
• Beepuke wrote on 2010-08-11 20:16
  I don't know about how fast elves aim but wing bow vs slow ranged weapon attack speed makes a huuuge difference because of the ability of AR to chain arrows without another skill reload time. I could even make a video later for comparison, although I'm sure there are plenty out right now. With a fast speed ranged weapon like short bow or wing bow, you can hit the enemy multiple times before it even finishes bouncing. It's an incomparable difference.
• Vanof wrote on 2010-08-11 20:27
  For the sake of clarification, elves have 200% aim speed bonus at r1 as opposed to humans having 300%. Also, humans get the AR bonuses on their first shot as well.
• Axx wrote on 2010-08-11 20:34
  So what about magnum spam? I tend to avoid using ego ranged weapons because I'm cheap NX wise, and one arrow at 500% is better (less dura) than 5 arrows at a combined ~700% whatever (from AR standpoint, I'm elf anyways).
• Vanof wrote on 2010-08-11 22:07
  AR got nerfed to having only 490% damage, out of all 5 shots, at r1.
• Justified wrote on 2010-08-11 22:47

  Quote from Vanof;121814:

  For the sake of clarification, elves have 200% aim speed bonus at r1 as opposed to humans having 300%. Also, humans get the AR bonuses on their first shot as well.

  
  
  Pro archers all zero-shoot anyways.
  200% vs 300% aiming speed is negligible when the difference is like 0.1 seconds.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-08-12 08:20
  Don't forget that r1 Arrow Revolver aims at 300% starting at 50% aim. In terms of DPS,
  
  Human magnum < Arrow revolver < Elven ranged attack < Elven magnum shot
  
  Arrow revolver is the most reliable ranged skill and crash shot has the highest damage output.
• Chihaya wrote on 2010-08-12 16:25

  Quote from Serathx;121368:

  Dustin sword is like...only a tiny, tiny bit better than a plain 2H.

  
  
  Sorry you're wrong.
  According to some screenshots i've seen in Korean Mabi, it seems that the Dustin Sword is SUPERIOR to the 2h in terms of damage, balance (not that this matters lol), crit, durability, and even injury.
  The only downside is repairing it without NX
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-08-12 17:35

  Quote from Joyjason;122475:

  Sorry you're wrong.
  According to some screenshots i've seen in Korean Mabi, it seems that the Dustin Sword is SUPERIOR to the 2h in terms of damage, balance (not that this matters lol), crit, durability, and even injury.
  The only downside is repairing it without NX

  
  
  Not true at all. 2hander and Dustin Sword have similar max damage at level 50 stats. (Around 238 max damage or so)
  
  What separates them is that Dustin Sword has around 2x more critical rate than 2hander, which means you can actually critical smash in Advance or Hard mode.
  
  Durability for Dustin Sword doesn't matter much since you are more likely to use NX Pots unless you are like a r1 Blacksmither that can cough these swords out of nowhere whenever you want. Injury? Usually people don't care about this for melee weapons. WM don't cause injury, which only leaves Smash giving injuries. Rarely do monsters actually regenerate all the damage from a smash with a high level ego weapon.
  
  However, if you really do value your ego, you are probably going to use NX pots for any ego.
• Chihaya wrote on 2010-08-13 19:02

  Quote from EndlessDreams;122529:

  Not true at all. 2hander and Dustin Sword have similar max damage at level 50 stats. (Around 238 max damage or so)
  
  What separates them is that Dustin Sword has around 2x more critical rate than 2hander, which means you can actually critical smash in Advance or Hard mode.
  
  Durability for Dustin Sword doesn't matter much since you are more likely to use NX Pots unless you are like a r1 Blacksmither that can cough these swords out of nowhere whenever you want. Injury? Usually people don't care about this for melee weapons. WM don't cause injury, which only leaves Smash giving injuries. Rarely do monsters actually regenerate all the damage from a smash with a high level ego weapon.
  
  However, if you really do value your ego, you are probably going to use NX pots for any ego.

  
  
  You're correct about everything here except the bolded part. At level 40s, 2h has 212 max damage, and will probably have, as you say, 23x max damage at everything at level 50. Dustin swords on the other hand, can achieve 300+ max damage at level 50.
• Serathx wrote on 2010-08-13 19:05

  Quote from Joyjason;122475:

  Sorry you're wrong.
  According to some screenshots i've seen in Korean Mabi, it seems that the Dustin Sword is SUPERIOR to the 2h in terms of damage, balance (not that this matters lol), crit, durability, and even injury.
  The only downside is repairing it without NX

  
  
  /corrected my error in a previous post
  :X
• Vanof wrote on 2010-08-13 21:23

  Quote from Joyjason;123507:

  You're correct about everything here except the bolded part. At level 40s, 2h has 212 max damage, and will probably have, as you say, 23x max damage at everything at level 50. Dustin swords on the other hand, can achieve 300+ max damage at level 50.

  
  
  Can you back this with any data, screenshots, or whatnot?
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-08-13 21:26

  Quote from Joyjason;123507:

  You're correct about everything here except the bolded part. At level 40s, 2h has 212 max damage, and will probably have, as you say, 23x max damage at everything at level 50. Dustin swords on the other hand, can achieve 300+ max damage at level 50.

  
  
  lol, no.
  
  What you said makes no sense at all. There are a total of 30 possible levels that deals with max damage. (10 from strength, luck, and will)
  
  In order to make the jump from 212 to 300+ max damage, each of those levels will have to give an average of more than +2 max damage, which makes absolutely no sense.
  
  If you ever interacted with someone who gone through the level 40-50 stats (or even read the ego stat charts pass level 40), you should know that those stats tend to have not only requires tons of feeding, but the damage/stats bonuses are very small compared to pre-level 40.
  
  Also, I believe Japanese Wiki puts level 50 max stats dustin at around 238, which is where I got it from.
  
  In addition, if it was 300 max damage, that would make it better damage than all the one-handed sword egos as well, which would further makes no sense.
• Username wrote on 2010-08-13 21:46
  Masamune Ego is definatly above Gladius. :V 2h Ego > 1h Ego.
  More Dura. More Raw Power. Looks cooler.
  only fault is NX repairs.