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Ketchup wrote on 2013-05-06 02:39

And I heard about the Evie staff revamp and I'm wondering which is better scythe Evie or Staff Evie?
Micho wrote on 2013-05-06 06:32

From what I understand Scythe currently out DPS Staff since they got their skill rank caps raised. But Staff has utility (Corona/Freeze), so it's up to you. :) Both have it's pros and cons.
TLCBonaparte wrote on 2013-05-06 12:48

I like Scythe more because how fast paced she is, and due to the buff, her attacks flow better and no stutter.
Ketchup wrote on 2013-05-06 15:02

Hm faster DPS you say always a sucker for DPS
Invertex wrote on 2013-05-06 15:18

As of now Scythe DPS blows Staff's out of the water. Utility is comparable too.

Reason for utility being that most new bosses can't be frozen (Lakoria/Kraken specifically), leaving Staff with only corona. Scythes can keep up Insane Reaper nearly all run, which a lot of the better equipped players perfer as survival often takes backseat to damage nowadays. Playing with IR + Stam Pot should help you see why the stam is so useful.

The S2E2 Extra Staff changes aren't going to come for a while anyways, so you'll have time to branch into hybrid by the time that gets here. Probably half a year at least. Damage should be slightly closer after that.
Ketchup wrote on 2013-05-06 15:46

Quote from Invertex;1083127:
As of now Scythe DPS blows Staff's out of the water. Utility is comparable too.

Reason for utility being that most new bosses can't be frozen (Lakoria/Kraken specifically), leaving Staff with only corona. Scythes can keep up Insane Reaper nearly all run, which a lot of the better equipped players perfer as survival often takes backseat to damage nowadays. Playing with IR + Stam Pot should help you see why the stam is so useful.

The S2E2 Extra Staff changes aren't going to come for a while anyways, so you'll have time to branch into hybrid by the time that gets here. Probably half a year at least. Damage should be slightly closer after that.

Well when I logged back on and got all my compensation stuff from the mail I checked my AP and had around 24,500 AP dunno if thats a lot or not but is it enough to finish scythe's important skills at least?
Invertex wrote on 2013-05-06 16:20

Can't say as I don't play an Evie, but 30k-40k total AP is usually enough to cover most important bases on a character.

What's your current AP without the 25k you have saved?
Ketchup wrote on 2013-05-06 16:28

Quote from Invertex;1083152:
Can't say as I don't play an Evie, but 30k-40k total AP is usually enough to cover most important bases on a character.

What's your current AP without the 25k you have saved?

Current Ap? you mean what I have now or my total AP?
Invertex wrote on 2013-05-06 17:40

Total AP, gosh I'm starting to forget specific terms.
Ketchup wrote on 2013-05-06 17:59

total AP is at 3275
Invertex wrote on 2013-05-06 19:48

Well, not a significant number. Guess I'll try to give you a breakdown of what to get then.
As another note, very few attacks of Scythes actually use the Att

Disclaimer : Not an Evie, this might be totally wrong.
Trying to use the DB's skill calculator for the first time to answer one of these, since I'm getting lazy at manually doing the math.
http://vindictusdb.com/skill-calculator?i=Evie#6:0:7;10:0:7;12:0:6;12:1:1;1:3:1;1:2:1;1:1:1;1:0:1;4:0:1;4:1:1;6:1:1;8:0:1;9:0:1;10:1:1;10:2:1;10:3:1;14:0:1;14:1:6;14:2:10;16:0:6;18:0:3;18:1:1;18:2:1;18:3:1;18:4:1;18:5:1;20:0:10;22:0:1;22:1:1;22:2:1;22:3:10;24:0:1;24:1:7;24:2:1;24:4:6;24:5:6;24:6:1;24:3:1;28:0:6;28:1:7;30:1:1;30:2:1;30:3:1;32:0:6;34:1:1;36:0:10;40:1:10;42:1:6;42:0:1;40:0:1;52:0:1;56:0:6

Notes:
Cloth Mastery is taken to r9 on the assumption you will be using the Wonderland set as your endgame set. Light/Heavy will be relevant if you intend to use Mhara, Fallen Angel, or Black Pearl. Likewise Scythe Mastery is taken to r9 on the assumption that you will be using a Lv. 60 Scythe as your endgame weapon. Take it to r6 if you intend to use a 70 or 80 Scythe.

Int Mastery and Magic Mastery are both taken to rA only, as their AP costs increase by a significant degree after that point. Getting them to r6 is good, but costly.

Insane Reaper is prioritized to r6 as it's a party wide buff, which means in parties with other Evies - the stronger IR takes priority. Getting it to 6 ensures maximum duration, effect, and prevents you from failing to use your IR due to a better IR being already used.

Mark of Death, Bloody Thread, Blade Shift, Demon Splitter, Life Drain, Spirit Bind, and Sacrifice are the ones I'm kind of iffy on. If someone who knows Scythe better wants to chip in, this is probably the place. They all kind of have linear AP requirements and you'd probably be best maxing them all as I believe they're all used extensively, just it's kind of hard to decide the exact cutoff in terms of AP payoff.

Likewise, Magic Critical Hits falls under the same issue in that it's an amazing skill, it's just kind of linear in it's AP cost which means it's hard to say "stop here until you have AP".

Campfire is a nice skill, get it to A later on as it's cheap. But Evie is probably the character that cares the least for the camp buff as she has like no Def anyways.

Combat Mastery is taken to D as that's a prerequisite for Smash Mastery, which is a great skill as it affects all smashes.

Standing Endurance is taken to 9 due to the quick rise function being added, taking it to 6 is also good for the stam decrease but I'd just keep it there until you finish everything else mentioned.

RG is kept at F for two reasons. One, your other SP skills are good (Sacrifice, IR) and should take priority. Two, RG skill ranks do not add significant damage to RG, so it's not very AP efficient. Take it eventually, but it's pretty low priority.

Eagle Talon r9 doesn't have many practical uses, so I kept it at rF. I can think of some (i.e. breakoffs), but it's not very important. Get it eventually though.

And unless I'm wrong, I think Scythes can still use alchemy kits, so Mana Pistol is still a great solo tool.
TLCBonaparte wrote on 2013-05-07 00:12

Personally I don't use demon splitter, but rest are all used extensively. But there are also some cut offs if you want to prioritize (like blade shift, it's cool, but I don't think it's all that useful, because half the time when you shift you end up a bit behind enemy, often out of blade shift's range).

I would prioritize:
Int Mastery > Magic Mastery > Insane reaper > Bloody Thread > Mark of Death > Magic crit. Rest you can level whenever you feel like. I maxed my reverse gravity because it's just so cool. Seriously it's probably the coolest skill in Vindictus.
Ketchup wrote on 2013-05-07 00:55

Alright thanks for the tips guys, I have another question though not important but it's been bugging me what are strange traveler coupons for?
Ailyene wrote on 2013-05-07 06:44

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Alright thanks for the tips guys, I have another question though not important but it's been bugging me what are strange traveler coupons for?

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