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BizarreJuju wrote on 2013-05-10 04:09
Kids sneak and drink alcohol under 21 anyway, I don't see why they need to decrease the age limit to 18.
If they are out at war, being able to fight is a priority over drinking measly alcohol. Also brain functions can be impaired by alcohol within minutes of consumption anyway, I can't imagine any genius that would do while firing a gun.
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Hanna wrote on 2013-05-10 04:14
Quote from BizarreJuju;1085588:
Kids sneak and drink alcohol under 21 anyway, I don't see why they need to decrease the age limit to 18.
If they are out at war, being able to fight is a priority over drinking measly alcohol. Also brain functions can be impaired by alcohol within minutes of consumption anyway, I can't imagine any genius that would do while firing a gun.
you missed the point
I'm not saying soldier should be able to drink, I'm saying that it's perfectly okay to send an 18 year old to war but 18 year olds can't drink
I even stated in the OP that I do not want the drinking age to be lowered?
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Episkey wrote on 2013-05-10 04:19
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wait, what? is it somehow legal for hispanics to drink or is it just families let their kids drinks? xD
on another note in Cancun I was able to drink at 16 and I got so drunk that I had the worst hangover I've ever experienced
No no! It's obviously the second one.
Hispanic families tend to have that sort of mentality with alcohol, or at least people from the Dominican Republic.
It happens at parties ... and I'm laughing because when I was 17, my father would say to me:
Father: I have this 1994 white wine that you're going to drink for your 18th birthday!
Me: What!? Why?
Father: It's a special occasion, that's why! And I've been saving it up for many years.
Me: That's illegal though! We can drink it when I turn 21, then.
Father: No - you're drinking it when you turn 18.
ME: DAD. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING. *Insert rant about drinking and role reversal*
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Cynic wrote on 2013-05-10 04:24
Actually, cigarettes are addictive because of what people put into them, while alcohol itself is not at all addictive without alcoholism/an addictive personality also being present in the equation. So technically, alcohol is actually much, much better for you as long as you watch what you drink. Cigarettes on the other hand, will screw with your body either way. It'll just take longer/shorter depending on how often you smoke.
..But yeah, it's pretty damn said. I will honestly never understand why smokes are available to young adults sooner than alcohol is. (money aside, of course.) Lord knows that basically every young adult/teen has access to it anyways. Might as well just go ahead and hand it out at this point.
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Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-05-10 08:49
Frankly Cigarettes are far more deadlier than alcohol in the long run. The human body if the person has any level of restraint can handle one or two drinks just fine. Cigarettes on the other hand are far more addictive and do a lot of harm to the human body.
However, due to the addictive nature of Cigarettes raising the age bar would just increase the rate at which people obtain cigarettes illegally. The more you restrict something, the more ways people will find to do it illegally. ie: Weed, Prohibition (Bootlegging in the 1920's anyone?)
Back to Alcohol, the vast majority of people lack self restraint though. I on the other hand have drank multiple times but never got drunk enough to do anything rash, nor forget what I did. It's all about self-control and knowing when to say, "That's enough for me, I need to get home so I don't wake up with a bloody hangover" I've gone out drinking 20 times I'd have to say and only had a hangover 2 of those times and that was due to me getting carried away and not balancing out enough water/taking it easy.
Quote from Episkey;1085578:
You have to understand, you can do that if you're Hispanic :p
What?! How is that even fair? Culture or not, I feel that EVERYBODY should abide by the same set as laws as everyone else. One thing that drives me nuts is when one ethnic group gets more favorable treatment than the other. We're all Americans and should be abiding by the same set of laws as every other ethnic group does in this country.
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Kouki wrote on 2013-05-10 08:57
Both can be highly destructive... Smoking even more-so, since it permanently damages unwilling peoples' lungs(secondhand smoke).
If anything, they should switch the legality of non-contaminate smoking drugs and tobacco smoking, since the latter causes public health problems among people who don't want to smoke.
Sadly, the world has so many of these stupid laws that don't make sense. It's a law that's there because of tradition I think.
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Phunkie wrote on 2013-05-10 09:10
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You have to understand, you can do that if you're Hispanic :p
It's still illegal.
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Kouki wrote on 2013-05-10 09:45
I've drunken a portion of my mother's margarita at a restaurant before, but she didn't know it had alcohol in it til the waiter stopped her, and it tasted like ordinary fruit juice to me. I didn't get drunk, though.
I remember my parents let me taste wine before, but not to actually get drunk off of.
It tasted horrifying. If anything, wouldn't exposing kids to the horrifying taste of wine be better for keeping them away from alcohol as adults? It sure worked for me.
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Claudia wrote on 2013-05-10 16:22
I think that this is where it's important for parents to introduce their kids to alcohol and cigarettes. My mom keeps insisting since I turned 18 that I have a glass of wine with her, so that I "know what it tastes like" and that when I try it for the first time, that I'm doing so in a safe manner.
Since I've never had a drink or smoked anything, I really can't say whether it's efficient or not, but I do think that kids who start off by drinking/smoking at parties, behind the school, i.e. without adult supervision, are far worse off.
(And then again, there are the kids who don't have responsible parents, in which case I think everyone deserves a strong role model who will do this for them.)
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ValkyrieHamster wrote on 2013-05-10 17:04
My uncle let me try his scotch when I was like 10...it was so awful that I pretty much stayed away from alcohol till i was 21. I still can't drink anything similar to what he gave me :/
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Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-05-10 18:26
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I think that this is where it's important for parents to introduce their kids to cigarettes.
Bad idea. Cigarettes are highly addicting. Just one will be enough to get the poor child hooked. Bad idea, really bad idea.
Nicotine is not to be underestimated.
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Episkey wrote on 2013-05-10 19:20
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It's still illegal.
Yes, I am well aware of that. It was a joke.~
See
the post I made further down.
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Claudia wrote on 2013-05-10 21:24
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Bad idea. Cigarettes are highly addicting. Just one will be enough to get the poor child hooked. Bad idea, really bad idea.
Nicotine is not to be underestimated.
Well, you know what I meant. ;_;
(I agree, not interested in smoking because watching my mom get upset when she hasn't had one in a few hours is enough to scare me off)
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Episkey wrote on 2013-05-10 21:36
Quote from Kingofrunes;1085724:
What?! How is that even fair? Culture or not, I feel that EVERYBODY should abide by the same set as laws as everyone else. One thing that drives me nuts is when one ethnic group gets more favorable treatment than the other. We're all Americans and should be abiding by the same set of laws as every other ethnic group does in this country.
I guess I missed this post too. I completely agree with this mode of thinking, as evidenced by
this post.
The post you quoted was a joke, I was thinking of making it plainly obvious - but I thought the ":p" was sufficient given the context.
Oh well - my fault, now I've created a big misunderstanding.
:llama_cry:
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Sumpfkraut wrote on 2013-05-11 04:25
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Just one will be enough to get the poor child hooked.
We're talking about a single puff here, probably without proper technique, thus making you cough all over the place.
Are you sure about that anyway?